Is this enough of a coup for a general strike yet? Or are you still waiting to see how it pans out?
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Oh I see, so not the House, Congress, or the Supreme court... gotcha...
So, when is military coup to remove orange turd?
So, when is military coup
Right after the civilian one.
Civvies have to start it, When the government calls in the military to stop it, the military has to refuse and back the civvies.
I'm not placing those odds as particularly likely.
when is military coup to remove orange turd?
When the sun rises in the west. Or when he tries to cut the pentagon budget
The military isn't some saint patron of the state.
That's his next executive order making that illegal.
Erasing an entire branch of the US government
A branch that favors him, nonetheless
The headline is misleading. The order is specifically limited to executive branch employees.
Basically saying they aren't allowed to use their own judgement to determine legality of what they're asked to do. They have to follow the judgement of the president and the AG, and do what's ordered of them.
"Sec. 7. Rules of Conduct Guiding Federal Employees’ Interpretation of the Law. The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. The President and the Attorney General’s opinions on questions of law are controlling on all employees in the conduct of their official duties. No employee of the executive branch acting in their official capacity may advance an interpretation of the law as the position of the United States that contravenes the President or the Attorney General’s opinion on a matter of law, including but not limited to the issuance of regulations, guidance, and positions advanced in litigation, unless authorized to do so by the President or in writing by the Attorney General. "
So he wants them to "just follow orders"...
What's wrong with that? Nothing horrific has been perpetrated in the past by people who were "just following orders".....
Yeah, it seems that much of the discussion online is based on the press conference where the order was announced, not the actual text of the order.
It doesn’t seem that this bill does that.
I think it’s taking power from agencies like the fda and fcc. It doesn’t say anything about the courts.
But I might not understand everything perfectly.
Oh, look at that; another Project 2025 itemticked off on the list.
That must just be a coincidence, because he's never heard of project 2025
It's time for the military to fulfill their oaths.
In other words, more evidence that this is a coup.
Summary below taken from this r/law post by u/FormerJelloMaster
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🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨This Executive Order does the following:
❧ All federal agencies, including independent regulatory commissions, are now subject to direct White House control.
❧ Regulations cannot be issued without presidential approval.
❧ The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) can now withhold funding from independent agencies if they don’t align with White House priorities.
❧ All federal employees must follow the President’s and Attorney General’s interpretation of the law, eliminating legal independence.
❧ A White House Liaison is to be installed in every independent regulatory agency to enforce direct presidential control.
⚠️ This is the biggest executive power grab in U.S. history. ⚠️
This formally ends the concept of an “independent” regulatory agency, dismantling one of the last barriers to absolute executive power.
📍 This order effectively erases the last major restraints on executive power. 📍 The federal government no longer operates with checks and balances. 📍 Regulations and laws are now dictated solely by the President. 📍 If left unchecked, this is the moment the U.S. ceases to function as a democratic republic.
1️⃣ The President Now Controls All Regulatory Agencies
✅ The SEC, FTC, FCC, and FEC are no longer independent.
The Stock Market is now subject to White House control, enabling insider trading, favoritism, and targeting of political opponents. Antitrust laws can be selectively enforced, allowing administration-friendly monopolies to expand unchecked. Political opponents in the tech sector, media, or finance can be targeted with regulatory action while allies are protected. Elections are now influenced by direct White House oversight of the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
✅ The FDA, EPA, and consumer protection agencies are fully politicized.
Drug approvals, food safety regulations, and environmental policies can be rewritten for political or corporate interests. Climate change regulations can be erased overnight. Scientific research is now subject to White House approval before public release.
🚨 Implication: There is no longer any neutral enforcement of economic, environmental, or election laws. Everything is now dictated by political loyalty.
2️⃣ The White House Can Block Agency Budgets or Direct Funds Elsewhere
✅ The OMB can now adjust funding allocations for independent agencies.
This gives the President the power to defund agencies without needing Congress. Regulatory agencies that challenge presidential policies will be quietly strangled of resources. Agencies loyal to the President will receive full funding—even illegally. 🚨 Implication: Congress no longer controls federal spending on regulatory enforcement. The executive branch can choke out opposition agencies and reward allies.
3️⃣ The President & Attorney General Have Final Say on All Legal Interpretations ✅ All federal employees must follow White House interpretations of the law.
The Attorney General’s opinions override agency lawyers, inspectors general, and independent counsel. Agencies cannot adopt their own interpretations of legal statutes—everything must align with the President’s views. The President can rewrite federal legal interpretations overnight. 🚨 Implication: Legal consistency is gone. Agencies cannot push back against corrupt, illegal, or unconstitutional directives because the President’s interpretation is the only interpretation allowed.
4️⃣ Installing White House Liaisons in All Regulatory Agencies ✅ A “White House Liaison” will be placed in every independent agency.
This ensures constant presidential oversight of daily operations. These liaisons will report agency actions back to the White House and enforce political compliance. Agency directors will no longer have the ability to act without White House approval.
🚨 Implication: There is now a direct enforcement arm inside every regulatory body. Even agencies that resist presidential control will be internally monitored and controlled.
📍 Every regulatory body—from financial markets to environmental protections—is now politicized. 📍 Congress no longer controls federal funding—agencies must obey the White House or risk defunding. 📍 The President’s legal interpretations override all agency autonomy, eliminating independent enforcement of federal laws. 📍 The federal bureaucracy, once designed to be resistant to corruption, is now completely subject to presidential loyalty.
4️⃣ Installing White House Liaisons in All Regulatory Agencies ✅ A “White House Liaison” will be placed in every independent agency.
Just like how the soviets would have a "political" officer that would report everything back to the KGB to keep everyone in line.
He has already shown himself completely unqualified to interpret or follow laws.
So, my understanding was prior to 1984 if a law was unclear, the courts would get involved and clarify. However, sometimes the courts wanted something that the writers of the law didn't want, and that thing was different from the current congress, which in of itself different from what the president wanted, which even could be different from what the independent executive branch department heads wanted.
This all came to a head with Chevron. In Chevron, anything unclear in a congressional law that applied to a executive branch's mission was left up to the head of that department which in a way was controlled by who the president nominated. In that way, if congress left something vague that meant the courts, congress, and the president all agreed that the head of the particular department in the executive branch got to decide it.
This peace lasted up until Loper in the end of 2024 under Biden. In it, the Supreme court said basically "If something is unclear, it is the courts and not the executive branch" that got to interpret the law. Not wanting to overturn 40 years of regulation, the courts said "anything made under Chevron is still good, but that stops now", most likely since they thought Biden was going to win again and they wanted to take away his power.
Now this EO is saying "No, lol, Loper doesn't mater. No one but the president himself (and DOGE) can interpret the law." At least both Loper and Trump agree that THE REGULATORS can't make new regulations. And because SCOTUS didn't really want that job, and Trump doesn't want to do anything, don't expect any new regulations for the next 4 years.
What are Americans waiting to get him off the throne he's created for himself ?
This does not extend to the Judicial branch. It only applies to the Executive branch. You can read the EO yourself to see that fact.
This is bad because it is trying to exert control over independent agencies, and pretty stupid because there is something like 5000 final rules and proposed rules in the Federal Register last year, so if this were seriously implemented, the AG and POTUS would just sit in teams meetings for the rest of their terms while potential rules get discussed.
This is bad because it undermines the independence of federal agencies, it does not actually impact the Judicial system however.
those independent agencies are set up that way specifically to avoid being controlled by a president.
It still says that executive branch employees should just follow orders, which is not compatible with the rule of law.
This is bad because it undermines the independence of federal agencies, it does not actually impact the Judicial system however.
I assume that independent agencies would primarily look to judicial precedents for guidance on interpreting the law, so the order is stripping the judicial system’s influence even if it’s not stripping its explicit authority.
To be completely fair, I'd love to see SCOTUS' faces right now. Do they and Congress not understand that they're losing all their influence?
SCOTUS will, I think, be fine with this. It's what they were installed to do.
One of these days you would think one of the other powerful people in one of the other branches of government would get upset at this stuff.
"Does it make me less wealthy? No? Carry on."
yes that's pretty much how dictators would interpret it
How many days has it been now?
“Interpret” = make up.
Can we, maybe, impeach him now?
Pretty please with a cherry on top.
The Republican-controlled House and Senate could end this today. Like, right now. They could put a complete stop to it. They could remove Trump and Vance simultaneously, resulting in Mike Johnson - a total scumbag, but not one who wants to obliterate the United States - becoming the president.
Right now. They could do it right now. But they won't.
yes that's pretty much how dictators would interpret it
As always this doesn't legally bypass laws. It can only go as far as the courts and civil service leaders let it go.
I admit such sweeping orders are scary but I refuse to panic until I see the extent of what they can actually get away with. Something to keep in mind about this is the president has actually had quite a bit of influence on "independent" agencies already. Much of what he wrote in this one is already true. Like the AG determining the government's legal position.
I think the biggest change here is putting OMB and the head of the 2025 project in direct competition with Musk for administrative power.