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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 61 points 3 days ago (2 children)

That scammer fucker has Canadian citizenship?

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Through his mother if I recall correctly

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah his mom was Canadian, he moved here to go to a Canadian uni, and work on his aunts farm.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 69 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Maybe this is where all the 51st state talk is coming from. If Canada joins the USA then he'll suddenly be eligible to officially become president.

[–] Tyfud@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

How is this not higher up. It makes way too much sense.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago

Elon Musk was not born in Canada. He is South African. A lot else about him should make sense once you realize that.

[–] needanke@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Don't you have to be born in the US to become president there?

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No. Just be a natural born citizen and to have been a resident for the past 14 years. Natural born citizens are those with birthright citizenship, and people who are the children of citizens have birthright citizenship, no matter where they are born.

Elon is a heridatary citizen of Canada, and so would be a natural born citizen of the US if we joined the union.

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[–] dankm@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Seems the consensus now is a natural born citizen is one with birthright citizenship; so anyone born to a US citizen counts as well.

If the USA successfully annexes Canada Musk would qualify since he was born to a Canadian citizen who would now be a US citizen.

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[–] xzot746@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

Isn't he already the president, well I mean at least pulling all the strings with no repercussions? Mind you the Donvict doesn't seem to have any repercussions yet.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't want a country where a mob can get a large enough petition to strip someone of citizenship on that basis.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Me neither but that's not what's happening. The petition is not the basis for the action. The basis for the petition is the basis for the action, and the petition is a tool to demonstrate public support for the action.

I won't be signing it, though. This will help no one and I'd rather spend our political capital on things that do.

[–] bluebadoo@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The basis of them actively trying to annex the entire country? I think if there was ever a good reason to remove someone’s citizenship it is because they want to destroy the country AND they have the power to do so.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Then you don't need a petition. And if a petition is the deciding factor, that's shitty as fuck.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There was a situation in Switzerland where the people in the canteen didn’t like this woman so they refused to approve her citizenship.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 18 points 3 days ago

Approving is not the same as removing.

[–] CaractacusPotts@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember that. I heard her on a podcast, can't remember the details though.

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

The details are that the Swiss put bells around cows necks that stress them the fuck out. She campaigned against those, while living there for years. So the locals denied her citizenship to punish her for going against the tradition of animal abuse.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

TIL he has one. Yep, I'm signing. And maybe putting up QR codes so other people can too.

[–] lisko@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

I think he should be deported from the US

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I would rather he be prosecuted for treason, though I acknowledge that would require us to already be at war with the US (so he could be shown to be aiding the enemy). Too many innocent people (especially activists) could be affected by the precedent this would set-- especially the next time a Conservative government comes to power, though I could even see the Liberal Party mirroring Europe's recent police harassment of Palestinian-friendly journalists if not Trump's deportations of activists for Palestinians' human rights that Poilièvre would likely copy. Despite seeing myself as Canadian all of my life and being here for decades, I already feel less safe in this country, considering rising fascist sentiments like these out there. I'm not eligible for citizenship in the country of my birth either. I know the backlash from just stripping him of his citizenship outright would be directed to people like me.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

This is pretty much the issue: laws have to apply to people I dislike as much as they apply to people I like. That's precisely why we have a constitution, etc.

As much as I dislike Elon and co, he deserves due process as much as everyone else.

[–] bluebadoo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It isn’t just on the basis of we don’t like him. It is because he has actively meddled with the integrity of our democracy AND he has power to do further damage. Lots of Canadians do anti-Canadian shit but very few of them have the power to do the damage that Musk can do.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Whatever legal mechanisms exist need to be followed.

Didn't get me wrong. I agree, the state has to follow its own laws and respect our constitution.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

He gets due process. A hearing is held and it's legally determined if his citizenship should be revoked.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago

laws have to apply to people I dislike as much as they apply to people I like.

Is that the case today?

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[–] Dearche@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll sign.

Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person's citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person’s citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.

You can rest easy, there's no mechanism for a petition to do anything except draw attention from those who can.

Sadly I'm not a Canadian, but I hope that this goes through. Would be hilarious.

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Eh, I hate nazis as much as the next gal, but I'm really not sure it would be lawful to revoke someone's citizenship for political reasons.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That was my first reaction too. Did you read the text of the petition? What he's doing isn't just politics, he's actively working to erase Canada. There must be some level of anti-Canada behaviour (really bad phrasing, but I can't think of anything better and you know what I mean) that warrants revocation of citizenship?

  • Elon Musk has engaged in activities that go against the national interest of Canada;
  • He has used his wealth and power to influence our elections;
  • He has now become a member of a foreign government that is attempting to erase Canadian sovereignty; and
  • The attempts of Elon Musk to attack Canadian sovereignty must be addressed.
[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There's a fundamental reason why I very much dislike these kinds of things. When you've set the precedent that citizenships can be removed it legitimizes that same action when it is applied in the other direction.

What is considered "treason" is very much subjective - the state simply should not have the power to remove citizenship.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When you say "applied in the other direction" - I read that as granting, rather than revoking, citizenship. Which doesn't really make sense? I assume you mean an evil government revoking citizenship of good people, rather than this proposal for a good government to revoke the citizenship of an evil person.

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[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps. But the first and second points are allegations that would probably need to be proven in court. I'm not a jurist, but I've got a feeling it wouldn't be so simple.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I am not sure you need a jury to confirm the public information that he gave half a billion dollars directly to trump

From what I can tell, he would have to have acquired the citizenship fraudulently, and he didn't.

There used to be a mechanism for the citizenship of people convicted of treason, spying, and terrorism offences to be revoked, but it was repealed in 2018.

I would like to think the rule of law still applies here.

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[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago

Don't tolerate the intolerant. It's time to take the kid gloves off and be nasty to these people.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago

Thank you for this sobering point. It's easy to let your hate of someone open the gates to fascism. I mean, that's basically what this whole thing (gestures vaguely south) is about.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why did he have it in the first place?

[–] SirDankbud@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

His family has a lot of Canadian ties. His mother is Canadian and his grandfather moved to South Africa from Canada because we weren't apartheid enough.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

how likely is this to work and how many people need to sign?

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

0%. Governments don't do things because people signed a petition. In this case, I'm not even sure it's legally possible. Musk has a Canadian mother. He's Canadian by birthright.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Doesn't Canada have a specific amount of signatures that makes it so it's at least to be discussed within Parliament?

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Find his family's artifacts and records. Ban him from the country, then tell him that you've found his family's artifacts and records and refuse to give them to him.

Hit him right in the historical connections!

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