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[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 95 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There was some proposal that I have seen multiple times on Lemmy and at least once on the GitHub repo that communities should be able to subscribe to each other much like users can subscribe to communities. I vastly prefer this to other proposals such as auto-merging communities with the same name, which I can think of a few ways that can go wrong.

It would also be reasonably intuitive for the average user, since following stuff is already a familiar action you take on social media. You wouldn't really need to understand the quirks of federation to know why posting to one community makes it appear on other downstream communities. And as far as I know about ActivityPub (which is admittedly not much), it's not a stretch use it to implement a feature like this.

I wonder if this proposal ever reached anywhere.

[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago

The idea that I'm talking about is actually more like communities forming a network, with chains of following. If I host a new instance and create a memes community in it, I'd like to start having that community follow memes @ lemmy.ml and memes @ lemmy.world, so that the community already has content from the get-go, but users may be able to post memes that are unique to my instance and its followers. The followers would also see memes from upstream unless my community unfollows them, as long as they don't also follow them independently.

This model of the network would allow each community to independently determine which other communities it thematically implies, without the user having to follow all 4 communities with the same name but different content across the platform.

The multireddit suggestion is more like having directories/tags for communities. It wouldn't achieve quite the same thing, but it would be useful as well. Both ideas can coexist and complement each other.

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[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 50 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Crazy talk. Next you're gonna say we only need one 196 instead of five.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

To be fair onehundrednintysix exists because the 196 mods are a bunch of shitlibs, also 19864 exists because tbh I thought it was funny and I still do (also its more left wing)

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

So if I'm right about this....

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[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm quite deliberately avoiding lemmy.world, so no, we shouldn't just put everything on there.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wym, don't you want Reddit but somehow more self righteous?

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 8 points 1 week ago

You put it better than I could, it's exactly the self-righteousness that puts me off. And they basically control what gets defederated singlehandedly.

[–] blackberry@midwest.social 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

isn't the point of the fediverse to not consolidate?

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[–] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah let's just centralize all of this bullshit.

/s

[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

One main community greater than others with the same topic on a decetralized platform ≠ centralization.

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[–] towelie@lemm.ee 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

Just chiming in to throw some light hearted shade at lemmy.world for defederating from the piracy communities. My time on lemmy.world was really poor, and I came away not thinking too highly of Lemmy as a whole. My experience in different instances has been a world of difference, and I finally get fantastic content in my feeds and am fully on board with Lemmy

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Yep, their defederation from piracy comms and moderation of Luigi-related politics are my two biggest gripes with the instance administration itself.

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[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (38 children)

I blocked .world because it's a centrist shit hole that serves to do nothing but piss me off with whiners who don't do shit about fuck complaining about tankies and fascists as though their no side taking ass even has a fucking seat at the table.

Fuck .world

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree and I think we should merge instances too, and maybe appoint a CEO to take care of it. we can call it lemmit.

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[–] teagrrl@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 weeks ago

but lemmy.ml users are by far funnier and more based

[–] finickydesert@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

no, because not everyone likes to join lemmy.world because of the fedipact.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

It didn’t used to be like this. Maybe take it up with the brave patriot who’s made it his sacred duty to repost ml memes to world, in the hopes of convincing the world admins to defederate from ml. https://lemmy.world/comment/15251475

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[–] archchan@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

I think it would be cool if something like "meta-communities" existed. Fully adjustable, fully optional. Less duplicates.

You'd sub to one meta c/memes or c/news and see a combined feed of all known instance's versions. Post to whichever you want, show up in the meta (if you want).

If you still want to block from the meta sub or individually sub to c/memes on ABC instance, you could do that. Moderation would be subject to the instance the user posted on, subject to broader instance admin's defederations and stuff.

Idk just a quick idea. Decentralization is good, but a little bit of... aggregation like this could go a long way without actually centralizing power. Could help communities (big and small niche) to grow.

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I've been saying this over a year ago:

https://lemmy.world/comment/708523

This why lemmy and federation instances are so missing and empty. We don't even have the option to make custom subscription lists or I'd have manually done that. It's so badly needed

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So, think through how this looks in the long run. Hell, just think about what this prioritizes.

You have five communities covering the same topic. There's, what? 500? 1000? 2000 people active in them? Enough that there is a steady stream of posts and comments in all of them. They're all housed on separate websites, and those websites maybe have different goals and different rules. So, people start lumping them together in aggregate feeds.

What does that look like? In practice, how do users treat this?

They treat it as if they're all one community. As if they're all in one place. All managed by one cohesive set of rules (or, realistically, most people treat all spaces as if none of them have rules, and then put up a stink when they're met with the consequences of this).

Then, they start expecting to not see duplicates. So, which community's posts do they see when there are multiples? Oh, that's easy: all of them! They will start expecting comments to be merged. So, now you have people treating all of the communities not only as if they're interchangeable, but as if they're all one.

This is a backdoor to not just homogenization, but to quiet hostile takeovers of smaller communities by larger ones. All because users are too damn entitled to just pick one that most closely meets their needs and contribute to it.

We don't need meta-communities. We need people to get over their fucking FOMO.

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 week ago

Nah, I want more, smaller communities.

[–] Crumbgrabber@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Peter_Arbeitslos@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for this detailed reasoning.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or... And here me out... when can go descentralised ;-)

Don't take it wrong. I dislike to check multiples communities just like you but then I remember how centralised my life is and I'm fine with it.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

yeah, I thought the whole point of lemmy was not to centralize everything ... it's nice when things are spread across separate instances, as long as the instances federate

[–] deus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There should be a way to see the content from different communities with the same name but from different instances in the same page, like some sort of automatic multireddit. The content would probably be limited to instances federated with your home instance but even then it's something I would like to have.

[–] kplaceholder@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago

You cannot assume that communities with the same name are meant to be on the same topic.

Say I set up an instance focused on discussing parties at home. There are fun in-person games you can play with your friends when many of you are over, so I would create a community c/games for discussing them. Now, what if I want my instance to federate with lemmy.world? They already have a c/games that is dedicated to videogames. Maybe I also would need a community dedicated to videogames, but I'd have to call it c/videogames, because I already have a c/games.

Some human intervention would be required to let the network know that the local c/videogames is the one that has to federate with lemmy.world's c/games, and not the local c/games.

Maybe an automatic suggestion would be fine as a starting point, but it would be more useful that communities themselves could explicitly establish which remote communities they are associated with, without depending on the names.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Nah. The Lemmy.world mods will ban you for posting or commenting anything that isn’t in line with western propaganda. Fuck merging.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

my man has no idea on the motivation behind federation

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[–] qaz@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Yes, but on which instance? Lemmy.ml is not controversy free and Lemmy.world already hosts like 50% of Lemmy alone. I think the only viable option that everyone could agree on would be another instance, but that would just leave us with 3 communities.

[–] irreticent@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

I think the only viable option that everyone could agree on would be another instance, but that would just leave us with 3 communities.

Relevant XKCD:

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[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Your proposal is much too streamlined.

Perhaps you presume memes are a commodity of which consumption should be maximized!

Nay, I say. Memes are an essential nutrient that becomes toxic in larger doses.

Thus, they must be scattered about in the environment to be encountered by happenstance whilst I pursue my main information foraging goal of finding ad hoc justification for my durable sense of dread.

Memes, uhh, find a way.

Do whatever you want but I am planning many epic shitposts pretty much anywhere I can get a reaction.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Quick! Someone crosspost this to !memes@lemmy.world

[–] Haaveilija@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

How about rebasing instead of merging to get a more linear meme history?

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