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Recent coverage of Gaza and the West Bank illustrates that, while corporate media occasionally outright call for expelling Palestinians from their land, more often the way these outlets support ethnic cleansing is by declining to call it ethnic cleansing.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Y'all ever notice that arguments about how to call something steal oxygen away from what to do about it?

Genocide, ethnic cleansing, and mass-murder are just words. Calling it a pumpkin pie won't bring back one dead child.

Reality is independent from language. Words borrow meaning, they're not the source of it.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 0 points 39 minutes ago

Yeah but by turning people away from the media we also isolate them from groups with similar ideals, forcing them into bubbles/echo-chambers which are easily radicalized to promote violence and insurgency.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 48 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Isn't "ethnic cleansing" itself a euphemism for genocide?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Originally it was. Now, in the aftermath of said ethnic cleansing, it's like a byword for genocide-lite.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I think "ethnic cleansing" is a subset of genocide.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 27 points 11 hours ago

You are correct. Genocide encompasses ethnic, national, racial, or religious groups.

https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%2078/volume-78-i-1021-english.pdf

[–] splinter@lemm.ee -2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Other way round. Genocide is a type of ethnic cleansing.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 0 points 45 minutes ago

This. Simply removing people of s certain ethnicity from a region without otherwise hurting them is ethnic cleansing but not genocide. It's still a crime against humanity, mostly, IMHO, because the "without otherwise hurting them" part rarely if ever happens.

[–] splinter@lemm.ee 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No, ethnic cleansing does not necessarily imply killing. It is the forced depopulation of an area, which can be by means of deportation, economic pressure, threat of violence, etc. Genocide is the most extreme form of ethnic cleansing.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Genocide also doesn't imply killing.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

No, genocide is explicitly defined as:

the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

-Cide is to kill or killing, and is derived from Middle French, from Latin -cida, from caedere to cut, kill

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/-cide

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 31 minutes ago (1 children)

You're incorrect on this one. Abducting "enemy" children and brainwashing them is genocide. Erasing local language from books and signage is genocide. Part of the definition. You can kill an ethnicity by erasing it and not have to kill a single person.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee -1 points 17 minutes ago

If you want to argue a dictionary then be my guest.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 hours ago

Yes, and you can destroy a group by means other than killing its members, such as forced sterilization, systematic abuse, or the transfer of children away from the community. It's the demo that's being killed, not necessarily its individual members.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

I feel like in common use it does. Some formal definitions don't require it, but then there's contradicting formal definitions.

[–] Punchshark@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Can we all just agree there is no "good" media? Journalism died for profits

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 16 points 11 hours ago

No, there are some great independent outlets that are still doing exceptional journalism. Many of the new outlets were founded by reporters who came from mainstream or traditional media but were either laid off or quit because of the profit-above-all-else mindset. As citizens and news consumers this means we have to be pickier and more discerning when it comes to what we read, because we can’t trust that we’ll get everything we need from just a single newspaper anymore. But if you look around you’ll still find some very high quality journalism, it’s just a bit more diffuse than we’re used to.

[–] Badland9085@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

The article itself claims that 87% of news outlets are avoiding the phrase “ethnic cleansing”. There are those that are calling it for what it is.

If you want an example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/05/un-chief-warns-against-ethnic-cleansing-after-donald-trump-gaza-proposal

[–] gadfly1999@lemm.ee 1 points 11 hours ago

“Journalist” is not an ethnicity but they can be cleansed too.