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I’m in the market to find a new distro that is similar enough to Fedora that switching won’t be as laborious as I’ve had it before. I keep hearing POP!_os is a good choice but I’m going to as the community what they think is good.

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[-] lfromanini@feddit.nl 25 points 1 year ago

Personally, I use Debian, but it's a different approach from Fedora. My suggestion for you is to try OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's a rolling release, which means bleeding edge software as Fedora, it's RPM based and it's easy to rollback in case of an update breaks something. As I said, not my type of distro (I want 0 breaks), but I used OpenSUSE once while distro hopping and it's a good distro.

[-] Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

This sounds like what I’m looking for. What is their support for steam, blender, AMD CPU/GPU support, and do they use flatpak, or is it more of an APK setup?

[-] lfromanini@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

My computer is a Ryzen with AMD GPU as well. Drivers are embedded on kernel, so any distro should fit. Flatpak works fine too, but of course, you will need to install it and add Flathub - simple, but needed ( https://flathub.org/setup/openSUSE ). Steam runs fine, if I remember well. Blender I don't know, I never used.

[-] coolmojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

openSUSE does support FlatPak, just follow the Wiki entry. There is also a wiki entry about Steam Blender is in the repositories. Also keep in mind that they stance about multimedia codecs is the same as Fedora. Please consusult this wiki entry for more information. I have to say that openSUSE Tumbleweed is a fantastic distro. It is rolling release, but it is also using OpenQA to make sure nothing breaks during updates. Hope this helps.

[-] Tekchip@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

I'm going to throw my hat in the ring for Pop_OS. The company that maintains it is focused almost exclusively on desktop use so it excels at this better than many other distros that have kind of a split focus on all the things. Their power manager is the best in terms of laptop battery management if you're using a laptop. The distro is also flatpak focused. There's even a utility in startup apps by default called "Flatpak Transition" which checks for deprecated deb packages and lets you know if there's a Flatpak that satisfies it.

Updates seem to come fast but not as fast as a full rolling release. No major changes lately because, as others note, they're working on a HUGE change to the distro to make their own DE. Rumors are circling this might come with a re-base of the distro off Ubuntu. Unfounded as far as I know but it would make a lot of sense.

I've been running Pop on my desktop and laptop exclusively for going on a couple years now. Rock solid.

[-] echo@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Any specific reason why you’d like to move away from Fedora? It’s an amazing distro, all things considered.

[-] Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Don’t get me wrong. I love Fedora, but with the things they’ve done recently, I really don’t think what I want from an OS and RH wants are the same anymore. I’d prefer to separate from them while I have the opportunity before I’m invested to the point of staying because it’s too hard to migrate.

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[-] gobbling871@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago
[-] shermozle@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

Suck it up and learn Debian and why .deb > .rpm.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's funny. When the maintainer of AT&T unix's perf group was looking at a distro to clone and support, RPM>Deb was 90% why debs were excluded.

Maybe something changed dramatically since then.

[-] shermozle@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

You mean Adrian? He's an odd duck and I wouldn't take his choices at this level as anything other than some obscure tiny performance improvement.

My issue with RPM is even the official packages didn't put files where the standard they wrote said. Admittedly I haven't used an RPM distro in 20 years so it's possible things have changed.

[-] topnomi@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I recently moved from Linux mint to opensuse tumbleweed and I've been VERY happy. Super stable. Even through multiple dist-upgrades.

[-] DniMam@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You should start with :

  • which DE you use ?
  • what release model you want ?
  • immutable or not ?
[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] cow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago
[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Still fedora based

Hence the question mark. OP gave no reasons as to why not Fedora.

[-] Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud 4 points 1 year ago

Can also vouch for Pop_OS .Can't tell how much having recovery partition added saved me from reinstalling os again :)

[-] gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How does the recovery partition work? I mean, I always thought it was a "copy" of the iso so that you can reinstall the system without an external USB drive

[-] Madiator2011@lm.madiator.cloud 2 points 1 year ago

Ye but if you can boot into it you can still fix main OS :) https://support.system76.com/articles/pop-recovery/

[-] NoRecognition84@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

One really cool thing that you can do with the recovery partition is to reinstall but keep everything in your home directory intact. I think it's called refresh installation. Very handy to recover from a bad situation without much hassle. Imo more distros should have a recovery partition.

[-] gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top 1 points 1 year ago

Ok I think it's time to create the recovery partition (I didn't create it during the installation)

[-] Codename_goose@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Since I can’t edit my post (not sure why, just can’t) this parent post should help people.

My leaving Fedora and by extension RH, mostly is about not supporting in any meaningful capacity any associated with RH. My hope is to find something similar to Fedora, I’m getting a lot of recommendations about OpenSUSE tumbleweed and endeavorOS. Since my setup is AMD CPU/GPU it seems while not the perfect choice POP!_OS isn’t for me. I think as long as the distro supports vanilla Gnome or as close as possible would be great.

[-] Zangoose@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I may be misreading this, but POP!_OS will work more than fine on an AMD CPU/GPU, as will any modern Linux distro. However, for people that Nvidia's proprietary drivers, POP!_OS also has pretty good integration out of the box that sets them apart from other distros (likely because the developer, System76, also makes laptops with Nvidia GPUs).

That being said, I've been on EndeavourOS for the past year and a half and I really like it so far. It's basically just arch but with a GUI installer and some extra theming/add-ons, which personally has worked great for me.

[-] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Literally any Debian distribution with the exact same window manager service you were using in Fedora would be essentially as if you never switched away at all.

[-] AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu 1 points 1 year ago

Fedora is close to bleeding edge. Debian is using old relics.

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[-] unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

I plan to move to EndeavourOS, because I cannot be bothered to install Arch and wanted something (b)leading edge, but community based. Already installed on my laptop, looking good so far.

Kind of unfortunate that there are no true community driven rpm distros :(

[-] NoRecognition84@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Pop OS is not a bad choice. Only thing about it is the version of Gnome it has is a little old and it will stay that way until they come out with their own Rust-based DE.

[-] DniMam@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, the current gnome outclass PopOs since they are working on Cosmic, the rust DE.

Their blog talk about cosmic a lot. Imho, it will be released the next month as beta public. Then they will release it next year.

https://blog.system76.com/post/cosmic-de-tiling-redesign-and-libcosmic-rebasing

[-] sadreality@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

What's the time line on that?

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[-] RoboRay@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

Without saying why you are leaving Fedora, it's not really possible to advise you... whatever we recommend may have the same mystery issue you are trying to escape.

[-] 00@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Im guessing its related to recent Red Hat antics.

[-] 4L3moNemo@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's your chance to turn away from rpm/RHEL distros and run without looking back. As last 20 years history shows, that branch of linux OS is either dying off on hands, leaving you without suport, either makes migration path complicated by a need to change distro. Like it was with centos +5..10 years, oh no ... -> maybe fedora -> oh no ... -> whatever whocares rpm pop/rocky/alma name it ... Thats it, beat it, no more this shit.

deb or any other kind linux is a way to go.

[-] 4L3moNemo@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I regred for still having to suport several old centos servers during the last decade. Still regret of having to do lots of co-hosted old projects migrations from one of these – for lost time, money.

Have never regreted for any debian based one during the last 20 years. Have switched desktops ~10 years ago too. Before, been hardcore rpm distros fan – desktop: fedora, later suse; servers: centos, sometimes fedora. Lucky to have used deb distros for servers too, that made at least part of the bussiness stay stabile.

[-] pgetsos@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

There is always (Open)SUSE in that branch as well

[-] 4L3moNemo@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Argh, tired of that rpm'ers shit – paths differ, config locations differ, you got to learn relearn on each swich again.

As for deb distros, they been for me more stable in that concern – life long know-how reusability, muscle memory, old notes of shell snipets still valid. Decade old servers, current ones, LTS (long term support) desktop distro or last dev edition don't difer much from point of view of fs organization and if differ at anything these are small evolutionary changes. My main argument reusability of know-how and "muscle memory" between desktop and servers and during the years, and growing reusable know-how during the years on top of that.

[-] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I'm wondering if Universal Blue will be impacted if Redhat pulls a CoreOS move on Fedora. If not, that'd be quite a seamless switch.

[-] fubo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I've been using Pop! for years, having been a user of Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint previously. It pretty much just works as far as I can tell. Are there specific things you're looking for?

[-] passepartout@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Seems like we're looking for the same thing, it's a a shame.

I used Debian before, and I'm likely going back. Since Debian 12 uses the 6.1 Kernel, it's new enough for me.

[-] staticlifetime@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I used Debian full-time eons ago, but last time I tried in 2019, it was a dog of a desktop OS to me compared to Fedora. It works fine as a server, but it's simply not a great desktop.

[-] ANuStart@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

I just installed Endeavour, and so far I like it because I didn't need to do anything tedious to get my wifi card.working

[-] -spam-@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

In a similar situation. I've been looking at open suse tumble weed and endeavourOS.

Installed pop on my wife's computer last week and I'm pretty impressed, I'm not the biggest gnome fan though so I don't think it would be for me.

[-] Gargari@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I settled on PopOS, easy to use, just working OS

[-] estebanlm@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I like Manjaro Gnome. I changed the maui shell for the gnome shell and everything is looking great, and as close to vanilla gnome as possible (which is what I liked from Fedora :P) is not the same package system, but is very neat ;)

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm on Debian at the moment.

Which DE do you use? Sadly, on KDE Debian is quite bloated but there's a trick, I deselected KDE when installing Debian.

Naturally, I booted into a blackscreen but after entering my credentials I ran the following command: sudo apt install kde-plasma-desktop

I rebooted into a beautiful and minimal Plasma desktop, it doesn't even have a calculator but it still comes with a few questionable applications installed. From there I just set up flathub and I'm all flatpak.

I used this page, check the page for your favorite DE/WM: https://wiki.debian.org/KDE

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