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Update: After this article was published, Bluesky restored Kabas' post and told 404 Media the following: "This was a case of our moderators applying the policy for non-consensual AI content strictly. After re-evaluating the newsworthy context, the moderation team is reinstating those posts."

Bluesky deleted a viral, AI-generated protest video in which Donald Trump is sucking on Elon Musk’s toes because its moderators said it was “non-consensual explicit material.” The video was broadcast on televisions inside the office Housing and Urban Development earlier this week, and quickly went viral on Bluesky and Twitter.

Independent journalist Marisa Kabas obtained a video from a government employee and posted it on Bluesky, where it went viral. Tuesday night, Bluesky moderators deleted the video because they said it was “non-consensual explicit material.”

Other Bluesky users said that versions of the video they uploaded were also deleted, though it is still possible to find the video on the platform.

Technically speaking, the AI video of Trump sucking Musk’s toes, which had the words “LONG LIVE THE REAL KING” shown on top of it, is a nonconsensual AI-generated video, because Trump and Musk did not agree to it. But social media platform content moderation policies have always had carve outs that allow for the criticism of powerful people, especially the world’s richest man and the literal president of the United States.

For example, we once obtained Facebook’s internal rules about sexual content for content moderators, which included broad carveouts to allow for sexual content that criticized public figures and politicians. The First Amendment, which does not apply to social media companies but is relevant considering that Bluesky told Kabas she could not use the platform to “break the law,” has essentially unlimited protection for criticizing public figures in the way this video is doing.

Content moderation has been one of Bluesky’s growing pains over the last few months. The platform has millions of users but only a few dozen employees, meaning that perfect content moderation is impossible, and a lot of it necessarily needs to be automated. This is going to lead to mistakes. But the video Kabas posted was one of the most popular posts on the platform earlier this week and resulted in a national conversation about the protest. Deleting it—whether accidentally or because its moderation rules are so strict as to not allow for this type of reporting on a protest against the President of the United States—is a problem.

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 1 points 23 minutes ago

I don’t want to watch this video please

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 39 minutes ago

WTF bluesky.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Bluesky is BS

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 23 points 5 hours ago

Put it on Facebook! Ol’ Zuck decided all the guardrails pretty much needed to go so. Post and do whatever. Plus, the people who should see it most are those still hanging around on Facebook 🤣

[–] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 194 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (11 children)

I guess I get it. They would not like to set precedent to allow non-consensual AI generated porn on the platform. Seems reasonable. That said, fuck Donny. The video is hilarious. It’s fine if Bluesky doesn’t host it though.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well, looks like they put it back up. I think I agree with you though. It might be better for them to restrict this. Frankly republican incels excel at generating this kind of content and this sets the precedent that Bluesky will welcome such AI garbage. I'm not arguing that this stuff shouldn't be made in good spirit, but for a serious platform to not moderate it out I think invites chaos.

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

There's plenty of legal precedent for newsworthiness to supersede some rules in the name of the freedom of the Press. It makes sense that I'm not allowed (at least where I live) to post a non-consensual pictures of someone off the street. But it would not make sense if I was forbidden from posting a picture of the Prime Minister visiting a school for example. That's newsworthy and therefore the public interest outweighs his right to privacy.

The AI video of Trump/Musk made a bunch of headlines because it was hacked onto a government building. On top of that it's satire of public figures and – I can't believe that needs saying – is clearly not meant to provide sexual gratification.

Corpos and bureaucracies would have you believe nuance doesn't belong in moderation decisions, but that's a fallacy and an flimsy shield to hide behind to justify making absolutely terrible braindead decisions at best, and political instrumentation of rules at worst. We should celebrate any time when moderators are given latitude to not stick to dumb rules (as long as this latitude is not being used for evil), and shame any company that censors legitimate satire of the elites based on bullshit rules meant to protect the little people.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

That's a really thin line. I have a hard time imagining anyone sticking to this same argument if the satire were directed towards someone they admired in a similar position of power. The prime minister visiting a school is a world away from AI generated content of something that never actually happened. Leaving nuance out of these policies isn't some corporation pulling wool over our eyes, it's just really hard to do nuance at scale without bias and commotion.

Exactly.

Content featuring public figures should be given extra lenience, because if we can't openly criticize our leaders, we aren't free. So as long as it's either factually correct or clearly parody/satire/etc, it should be allowed. Defamation and libel rules should have a very high bar for conviction when it comes to public figures.

This was obviously satire, and well done at that. Good on BlueSky for restoring it, I hope they fix whatever process got it pulled.

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 34 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Only because I find these specific videos to be quite funny, maybe there can be a "satire/criticism of a public figure" exception that could exist

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 68 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I'll just explain why that is a horrible idea with three simple letters:

A. O. C.

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 40 points 9 hours ago

Fuck. Good point. Guess I'll just have to come to peace with me being a hypocrite when it comes to what I find acceptable.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Satire is already legal and right wingers have already called for her to be shot or worse and gotten away with it. Pandora's box isn't closed, it's long been open.

I don't like AOC, but any threat of of call for violence is unacceptable regardless of the target. I don't care if it's despicable people like Trump, violence against an individual isn't the answer. Violence against ideas, however, is fine.

There are politicians that I kind of like, and they should also not be above reproach. Bring all their bad takes into the light and let's talk about them.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

That's a pretty big loophole. I mean, imagine the same exact video with Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi. It takes a significantly different subtext when the subjects are women. But the subtext doesn't really matter to the morality of the act.

Either involuntary AI generated pornography is wrong or it isn't. I think it's wrong. Do Trump and Musk deserve it? Sure, but it's still wrong. Do I feel bad for them? No, because they deserve it. But it's still not something I would do, or suggest anyone else do, and if the creator is prosecuted, I'm not going to defend them.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's satire, and yeah, I think satire of Harris skipping the primary process through "backroom deals" could be criticized with a similar video.

As long as there's a point to the video, it's speech. Make it clear that it's AI gen satire and I think it's fine, just don't make more explicit than necessary to get the point across.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Except you know that sexual exploitation has a different effect on women than men. Trump revels in his playboy reputation. Harris was accused of using sex to get ahead in politics. And you know that conservatives would believe that the video was real while they jerk off to it. Those dipshits still think Michelle Obama was a man.

Trump rapes women. He's not entitled to the same level of respect as almost anyone. He is entitled to the same laws, on that we agree.

And you know that conservatives would believe that the video was real while they jerk off to it

It doesn't matter what they believe, what matters is that it's explicitly parody or satire. Idiots will be idiots despite your best efforts to prevent it.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 hours ago

That's because Aaron Rodericks is Jesse Singal loving garbage.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Their moderation has been garbage lately. They're wrongly banning people for things they didn't do. It's just premusk twitter at this point. The real fediverse is a better vet medium and long term

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

fwiw they restored the post and blamed it on a moderator being too strict in applying a policy regarding non consensual ai porn. It’s objectively good they have policies banning such things but it was completely obvious from context that this was not meant to be pornographic at all

As such, one could easily read it with cynicism as responding to backlash as they only reviewed said moderators actions after this article came out and the associated clamor

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[–] sighofannoyance@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Simple solution to all this crap:

MASTODON.

[–] Hack3900@lemy.lol 5 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

I do not understand why people use BlueSky We already had the alternative!!!!! It was here first and many had already created accounts.. Then just went back to Twitter

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

because there is zero marketing for mastodon. zero sex-appeal to mastodon.

bluesky was a better car salesman selling the same old car twitter had.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It was far faster and easier to build up a feed of enjoyable content on BlueSky. My Mastodon feed has sat almost completely empty, and I've only been able to find a few news-reposters there.

And I'm tech-savvy. Imagine how it is for other social media users.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

We do need better onboarding. I wonder if you could make an equivalent of the "discovery" feed that wasn't abusive to the user

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly this. Like something might be technically better but unless it's doing its main job of actually connecting people it's not going to work.

I wish more FOSS nerds understood this.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't agree that Mastodon is technically better, but it was first so it should have first mover advantage.

I think it largely comes down to marketing. Mastodon is marketed by word of mouth, and BlueSky has an actual marketing team.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago) (1 children)

By "technically better" I mean it actually delivers on its technical promises of decentralisation, as opposed to bluesky that simply uses decentralisation as a buzzword without being actually open source and without allowing real competition for the main - centralised - instance.

I think mastodon has actual legs in that if bluesky fails to actually open up, it will enshittify and there will be another exodus. Mastodon has technical barriers to that kind problem, so it will still be there to pick up the pieces. The decentralised nature protects the network from enshittifying and means it will tend not to get exoduses like central platforms do. It's a matter of making that growth count.

If in that time mastodon has worked on its discovery features, it might be finally ready to capture that growth.

If bluesky manages to properly decentralise then I imagine mastodon will not need to pick up the slack and will either join the network or fade into irrelevancy.

Hard to say which way it will go. I don't hold out a lot of hope for bluesky changing its ways, and who knows when mastodon will improve in this way.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 39 minutes ago

My understanding is that BlueSky is distributed, meaning there's no single point of failure and nodes are independent. So scaling up should just mean adding more nodes, not having to scale vertically.

Distributed computing is a form of decentralization where the goal is resilience of the platform, not decentralization of control. The goal is very different from the Fediverse, which is to decentralize control, with resilience being a nice side effect.

Mastodon has technical barriers to that kind problem

It also has technical barriers to widespread adoption, hence why BlueSky is winning. I'lf BlueSky fails, people will just go to whatever alternative has a healthy marketing budget and low barrier to entry.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Same discussion in every single post on either Mastodon or Bluesky.

[–] MysticKetchup@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Bluesky is more easily usable
  2. More people they want to follow are on Bluesky

Instead of complaining we need to work on making Masto more welcoming to new users and amplifying the advantages it has over Bluesky

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, that ship has sailed, I think. When Musk first took over Twitter and everyone was bailing, if Mastodon was a viable alternative it could have taken off.

Now that Bluesky has overtaken them, and is seen as the alternative to Twitter, I think the opportunity has been lost.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That's quite a good point. Here's a little thought experiment, though: If we woke up tomorrow and Mastodon looked just like Bluesky (but with a different color scheme) and featured 100% two-way integration with Bluesky...

Essentially, if Mastodon became hands down the most user-friendly and engaging option—would that be enough to make a meaningful difference in its adoption curve?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

Possibly, although anyone who already has an account on Bluesky would likely stay there, and Bluesky has the upper hand in name recognition, and there is the uphill battle of explaining the concept of federation to people who have little interest in technology.

And that's if, hypothetically speaking, Mastodon was as easy to use.

It's not happening. Also, if it's anything like here, the non stop Linuxposting would probably annoy people.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 25 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Hopefully this amplifies the videos exposure. Is it because it is considered explicit that it's not tolerated like other forms of parody?

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 29 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Re-upload it 100 times over..fuck em

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