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Nextcloud Hub 10 – your unified, modular digital workspace - Nextcloud (nextcloud.com)
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[–] JVT038@feddit.nl 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It seems that while this update once again contains lots of (unncessary) AI bullshit, it also has some other positive changes, such as :

  • More End-To-End encrypted functionality
  • Improved file upload (apparently 6x as fast)
  • Better performance
  • Converting documents
  • Native desktop client UI (hopefully the new appImage does work for Linux, because it does not work right now.
  • Improved AppAPI for other developers to develop plugins / apps / extensions in different programming languages
  • Added pronouns to account profile
  • Right-To-Left text for the Arabic users (and whoever uses RTL instead of LTR)
  • PGP/MIME support for Nextcloud Mail
  • Chunked file upload on desktop app
  • Improved OpenID Connect API

Overall, I am still disappointed by the direction towards AI that Nextcloud has taken, but I suspect that it makes them more money. Also, apparently large organizations / enterprises who pay Nextcloud GmbH for support, are also allowed to influence the roadmap of the software, which probably has something to do with jumping on the AI bandwagon.

However, despite this new direction, Nextcloud still does the job for me: Easy file syncing, with document collaboration, calendar, contacts and basically act as a whole replacement for Microsoft 365 / Google Workspace / whatever with little to no problems.

[–] troed@fedia.io 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The AI support doesn't hurt you if you don't use it - and they've done the right thing by making sure you can do things locally instead of cloud.

Here's what AI does for me (self-hosted, my own scripts) on NC 9:

When our phones sync photos to Nextcloud a local LLM creates image descriptions on all the photos, as well as creating five tags for each.

It is absolutely awesome.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree. (Digital artist here) I hate the Ai hype machine madness but also understand trying to find ways to make it ethical and useful to eliminate tedium. As it should be for in the first place.

In the tech sphere, they likely have to play along to stay relevant since everybody's all hyped about it.

How's this local LLM of yours? Does it tend to be more accurate than Recognize? It's integrated into Nextcloud?

Recognizing objects and people in pictures locally is one of the best uses I think. ...and maybe if it can stop auto-tagging random EDM songs as "country" or "rap" when they sound nothing like, I'd be excited about that!😂

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've set up OpenWebUI with the docker containers, which includes Ollama in API mode, and optionally Playwright if you want to add webscraping to your RAG queries. This gives you a ChatJippity format webpage that you can manage your models for Ollama, and add OpenAI usage as well if you want. You can manage all the users as well.

On top, then you have API support to your own Ollama instance, and you can also configure GPU usage for your local AI if available.

Honestly, it's the easiest way to get local AI.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

How did you get your nextcloud AI workers to actually function in docker? Im not using the AIO image and I attempted to edit the systemd script provided in the docs but it fails :/ manually running the do command that I modified works until it runs out of time

[–] pyyhttu@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

@troed: That sounds awesome, and something on my todo list. Do you mind sharing how your upload and tagging AI-scripts work?

[–] Slax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Honestly I probably should do more research but how is NC for photos compared to something like Immich or PhotopPrism?

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been using NC since single digit version numbers

The performance increase on v30 is VERY noticeable, especially loading photos.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

it's come a long way in the last few majors. I've been using it since v7 and it's been a struggle at times with users complaining about how glacial it could get. These days it's pretty blazingly fast comparatively, I get no complaints.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 1 week ago

damn, RTL text is no trivial matter, kudos to them for getting that done

[–] Guenther_Amanita@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the summary!

[–] nis@feddit.dk 18 points 1 week ago

...now lets you search public and direct massages via Unified Search...

Interesting new feature :D

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

More feature creep and things to break it?

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 week ago

Everyone knows you don't upgrade to a X.0 release. Got to wait for X.1 at least.

[–] HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Does anyone have current recommendations for an alternative to nextcloud file syncing/sharing?

I use it only for the below:

  • synchronize some files/folders between some of my devices
  • share files/folders with friends who don't have an account; either with no password/account, or a password set at time of sharing
    • temporary/timed sharing so it is eventually no longer shared is nice, but not required
  • use its webui like dropbox to upload files to my server from random machines (or download them)

And for that, nextcloud seems to be overkill.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sounds like Syncthing for syncing and something like...is it... croc or Wormhole...? To drop files and send things.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding haha.

[–] HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks, I'll check them out.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

File browser is easy for all of those minus syncing. You might also do rsync. Easiest solution!

[–] HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks, I'll take a look. Syncing is nice, but I'll see how it fits!

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 1 points 1 week ago

It's command line but super easy. You can add it to daily or every ten minute cronjobs. Easiest format is rsync -avz /from /to. If it is too another device rsync -avz /from user@ip:/to

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I'm checking out seafile. I think it does those things, but I'm not sure.

[–] zcode@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Few plugins are broken due to api changes. Drawio is biggest issue for me.

[–] sk@hub.utsukta.org 2 points 1 week ago

always the same story :(

[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I'm also waiting for a couple of "apps" to have NC 31 compatibility.