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[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

The same can be said for many neurodivergent "disorders" like ADHD and OCD and Depression. Though I would point out that many of these disorders could easily be recategorized as traits and everyone has some number of traits regardless of if you are seen as neurotypical or not. I would argue that "treatment" is a modification of traits such that we fit a mold in modern society and not necessarily to make us better for our own sake but for the sake of those around us that don't understand how our brains work.

I medicate to make myself less of an inconvenience for you. Not necessarily to make my life better for me.

Not the case for all neurodivergents but I know a lot who share the sentiment.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My uncle, from the time he was a little boy, liked nothing more than farming and gardening. He has one friend and they talk exclusively about growing stuff. He had to be forced to finish high school because all he wanted to do was wrench on a tractor. He barely talks unless it's farming related.

He apparently takes after other men in the family, always one or two per generation, who were pretty much mute except when it came to their special interest. And they were 100% focused on their special interest.

Back in the day, it was "Uncle Bob just has those family genes. We get one of them every once in a while. He sure is a helluva good farmer." Today he would be diagnosed with autism.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 39 points 2 days ago

Your uncle sounds awesome.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I took one of those autism tests and I can't remember off the top of my head what the score was but it was very high which both surprises and doesn't surprise me. I mask extremely well according to most people I meet. Telling me "You seem normal" or even "You aren't autistic".

I've only had two people tell me "It's obvious" ever, my mom and a single friend of mine.

But holy hell all the other autism personality/psychological aspects are like cranked up to 100 and I have a love/hate relationship with that. Hyperfocus is a double edged sword for instance. I love that I can get super into something and get really fucking good at it but I don't love obsessing over the same thing for months to the point of it keeping me awake at night and hurting other aspects of my life because I can't change mental direction.

It also isn't good for social anxiety, way too much rumination on single awkward conversations MAKE IT STOP.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have a childhood friend who was very recently diagnosed with autism. We talked a little while ago and he brought it up. My first thought was "ah, yep, that explains a lot".

He's still a great friend. It didn't change anything about him, rather it helped make sense of his behaviors that we all just saw as "that's just how [friend] is".

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I already knew I was autistic I got diagnosed like 10 years ago as an adult, but I had never taken the test in question (Cat-Q) and I guess I kinda figured my autism was "light" or something. I think the test's questions were very effective at breaking through high masking so that's why I scored so heavily autistic and it kind of struck me so hard it made me cry. Masking is exhausting and at this point I can't really "stop" its so ingrained.

For me I don't think there is anything intrinsically wrong with me but I think some aspects of it fueled some really stifling early life decisions that kept me from growing (before I learned I was autistic) and now I feel like I'm permanently "behind" socially/developmentally. Part of that also I think might have been how subtly conservative and judgemental a lot of culture I absorbed was as a kid that I ended up assuming everyone thought I was a dorky loser so I avoided people I thought were "cool" to a degree. I still feel like I can't relate to people my own age and that's been the case since I was like 8 and its still the case in my 30's. It makes me sad about what I've missed out on and makes me worry about my future.

EDIT: I just retook it, I scored a 149, for context average male non-autistic scores are 96.89, for autistic men the average is 109.64.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I feel you on the "social development" part. I was recently diagnosed with ADHD and it helped explain quite a bit about myself. Most men around my age in my area are the stereotypical "sportsball/golf/hunting/jesus" type, none of which I relate to in the slightest, so it's difficult for me to make friends. I'm very much a homebody and tinkerer, and have at least 3 different projects going at any given time (cars/motorcycles, computers, guitars, hobby kits, etc). What's frustrating is that people tend to lose interest very quickly once I start talking and getting into detail... I'm lucky that my wife is supportive as she is - without her I'd have nobody to bounce ideas off of 😅

That, and I was stuck in an abusive marriage for 11 years. I went from hanging out with friends and family all the time to only my highly-possesive and jealous (now ex) wife. Naturally, none of which came out until right after we tied the knot; she changed almost overnight. I'm happily remarried now, but that first marriage stole a lot of my life from me.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 223 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When left-handedness became acceptable the number of left handed people was far higher than experts had predicted.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 97 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My grandmother told me stories about how she'd get whipped with a stick on the top of her hand if she tried using her left. Coercion never went away: conversion camps, behavioural therapy etc.

[–] Daelsky@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Before the 60s, in most Catholic societies, writing with your left hand was seen as a sign of the devil and unchristian. It was thus punished very often. I heard stories in Québec (Canada) where people would be beaten their left hand until there was blood with a wooden ruler. It’s frankly horrible and someone I know did show her scars from being beaten so often.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's a reason that the word "sinister" has negative connotations these days, despite it originating from the latin word for "left".

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My mom told me similar stories. She adored Ned Flanders's store and used to remind us constantly how easy right-handers have it (semi-jokingly). I think that was my first encounter with the concept of privilege.

[–] 200ok@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's actually a great example of privilege that isn't controversial or politicized

Edit: anymore anyway #goals

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[–] match@pawb.social 42 points 2 days ago (6 children)

just waiting for the us government to criminalize left-handedness

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I will argue that the mild part of the autism spectrum, what we call functional autism, is not a mental illness, not a disorder.

It's like being left handed, not the most common thing, it can cause troubles in a world made for right handed people, specially if being left handed is not accepted. But by itself is just another way of being just as "healthy" and "normal" as being right handed.

I think this is an open debate. Some folks prefer it being considered an illness because they want diagnosis and treatment. Others, like me, just love to be this way, and there's nothing I think is wrong with me. The only problem is that the world is not accommodated for people like me, just like it wasn't accommodated for left-handed people not so long ago. But as soon as it's 100% accepted as something normal I don't see it causing any trouble, so if there's no harm there's no illness we can talk about.

[–] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The spectrum of autism isn't mild to disabling.

It's a spectrum of presenting symptoms. What "functional autism" is, is a constellation of symptoms that means you can just about navigate the world as expected by neurotypical people. "Non-functioning" autism or "profound" autism are where the constellation of symptoms makes you unable to function in the world. This is more often than not inclusive of non-verbal autisms and poor motor control autisms.

"Functional" autism can be disabling for the individual in certain conditions - they may be completely unable to read social cues, or be severely impacted by certain stimulatory environments.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

The tldr for this is Neurodiversity

Almost all disabilities exist only within the context of a culture. They are a human applied label.

I recon most disabled people can do more advanced complex tasks than any animal/pet. Yet we do don't think of our pets as disabled.

We are all born with a useless appendix, which can potentially burst and kill us. If someone was born without. Would we all have a disability compared to them.

Someone with only one arm is considered disabled, extra fingers? If its not the default it’s considered disabled.

Now imagine a humanoid alien race with only 1 arm and a hand with 6 fingers. And imagine what their keyboards may look like. A normal human in their society would be considered disabled. Not because you cant use the keyboard but because you would struggle using a tool not designed for you.

Now the reason why you still want a diagnosis even when you agree with the above is simple. Society has not evolved this perspective. We can accommodate almost all disabilities but they key to getting that help is by first bureaucratically “registering” yourself as disabled by a medical professional.

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 1 day ago

If its not the default it’s considered disabled.

Vision is the outlier on this. More people wear glasses than not. This of course goes both ways and in various degrees, but I think the average is slightly nearsighted. It's easily correctable, so nothing is done to make anything more easily accessible for vision impaired people.

However, neurodiversity is not easily correctable, so perhaps we ought to accept that with the rise in diagnosises that perhaps it's actually rather normal and adjust our expectations for what people can actually do, instead of calling a majority of people "sick".

I mean, look at attention disorders like ADHD. They're perfectly healthy and can do all kinds of stuff. They just can't do it for 8 hours straight between 9-17.. its the expectations that need to change. It's sick.

[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Real quick the appendix might have an evolutionary function. When you have a gut infection and your intestine flushes out everything (good and bad bacteria), the appendix might be a cache for good bacteria that avoids both the infection and flushing. The good bacteria then repopulate your gut from your appendix.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We din't need a register of left handed people to start making left handed scissors.

I think society can accommodate without the need for medicalize it. That's the difference I wanted to make, an illness need to be medicalized. A different way of being does not.

For instance, my lighter skin complexion makes so I have to wear more sunscreen that people with darker complexions. But no one would think of it as something to be medicalized. It's just "oh, I usually get burned by the sun, I better buy some sunscreen" or "oh, I'm left handed I better put my mouse in left handed mode", or "oh, I'm gay, I'd better go find someone of my same gender to love". Something like that. Simple, easy and widely accepted.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Forgive me for asking but are you actually left handed though?

Everywhere i go the default scissors are molded for right hand. On my job (which is very accommodating in a general sense) if you ask they have an additional shitty type which is still right handed in terms of the blades but at least the handle more symmetrical.

For computer mice, those aren’t usually very symmetrical anymore either. Especially if those extra side buttons seem useful there is exactly one on the entire market that i know. This is why the vast majority of lefties use their mouse right handed.

There have been very real situations at my job where could not accomplish a task alone because left handed tools where not available and i was just going to hurt myself. Same thing at home because left handed tools are rarely affordable but are just have to bite the bullet and hurt myself to get the job done.

Don't even get me started on walking in class room and seeing this:

And then they complain about lefties handwritten being bad.

We are tolerated and accommodation exists but these are still fairly new. My grandpa literally got beaten the left handness out of him. We still face daily disadvantages.

About your sunscreen, i am pretty sure if you would ask a doctor they could point you to the most appropriate sunscreen. My point was not to medicalize everything but to break the illusion of the medical perspective. People have different needs and they need those needs accommodated without unnecessary hoops to jump trough.

Of course neither left handed or fair skinned is of a similar complexity as neurodivergence or autism. Many accommodation i need for my autism are outside my price range, they will only give them to me if i first proof they are required. I disagree with the system but the system is all i got to work with.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This exoplanet pandemic is getting out of hand. We're seeing them everywhere now!

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I heard there's also a galaxy outbreak happening as we speak

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Jesus christ, this is so getting out of hand! We need to bother some politicians about this. What will happen to our children!?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 69 points 2 days ago (4 children)

... so what you're saying is that exoplanets cause autism!

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No. It's obviously the space telescopes.

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[–] RiceMunk@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have the causation wrong here.

Autistic people go into astronomy, and then find more exoplanets. Therefore autism causes exoplanets!

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[–] solomon42069@lemmy.world 87 points 2 days ago

Just as easily applies to queerness and gender expression too. My favourite part on the these specific issues is the ignorance in the west, acting like being trans and queer is uniquely American and new.

Meanwhile South East Asia is right there...

isn't this also, like, a tweet about queer people?

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago

I just want to take the moment to say, nice to have you all around, especially if you are different. Thanks for enjoying the shit that I don't. And thanks for sharing my love for something for a different reason. Thanks for showing me a different world.

Also If everyone was like me, my girlfriend wouldn't be who she is, but ignoring that, I would have a lot of competition and it would be really boring for all of us. Wtf do you talk about if we all would be the same? I would hate you all, and consequently myself. Thanks for being different, seriously.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It's the same about depression. I doubt people got "more depressed", society have just ignored depression for almost the entirety of human history. My mother still tells me to "just be happy" like I can control brain chemicals. Literally nothing makes me happy. Petting my cat only slightly lessens my suffering. Ugh 😓

[–] zedcell@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Marx's Capital mentions at one point that the working class in Manchester were reliant on drugs like opium to cope with their insane working conditions and poor life/housing conditions.

It's not a new thing at all.

[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While I'm sure most of it has always been here, I would be surprised if modern technology hasn't contributed to a spike in depression. I have more content and information than I could ever need in the palm of my hands, and yet everything I read seems to make me hate people.

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[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder what the coal mines were like

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I’m out of the loop here. Could someone ad some context for me? What’s this about?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)

There is an incorrect belief that autism is on the rise and that it must be caused by something, but in reality we are just getting better at identifying it and diagnosing people correctly. So it's not that there is an autism epidemic, we're just discovering that it's less rare of a condition than previously assumed.

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[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

Something I noticed recently

The same people who quickly bemoan "everyone wants a label now" seen to be the same people who say "all kids do this like that".

[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Historically, I think with queer/unusual behavior were simply exiled/forced into suicide if they couldn't mask. I'm glad I live in a part of the US that isn't a monoculture as political originalists would have it revert to. Witchburning and lynchings are for losers.

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 47 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Is it psychiatrists who talk about an "autism epidemic", or certain journalists and activists?

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