I think Europe needs to use european made tools and services. US software- and cloud providers can't be trusted with nation critical things. At this point any data they have access to, will eventually find it self on Putins desk. Trump will use these companies as leverage and to make threats.
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US cloud supports our military endeavors and it spies on you. That AI facial recognition drones and police are using are powered in large part by google and other big tech companies. The immensity of the data centers and how much they cost to build and operate is staggering. You have no idea how much simply not using google would impact the world as google has it's hands in everything.
Stop using American tech.
what is donald trump trying to achieve again? i don't get it
In Trump's syphilitic brain, "Making America Great Again", means every other country with the exception of Russia and China, bends the knee and does what America wants, no questions asked. To him, THAT is power. He's too stupid to comprehend the concept of soft power and his diplomatic intelligence amounts only to trying to force others to be nothing more than client states.
This is just bullying tactics to try to make them do that. With the added benefit of destabilizing the west for Putin's benefit.
I'm convinced he's trying to incite riots for martial law, and force an economic collpase so he and his cronies can buy up the bankrupt companies and assets.
It's OK. He doesn't get it either.
Isolationism.
for what purpose? prices have been lower and standard of living higher than anywhere else in the world because of the trade imbalances. unemployment is low unless you're in tech. i don't understand what is meant to be achieved by any of this
Benefit Russia
According to Yanis Varoufakis, to end the tade imbalances so that the US don't lose their production capabilities
the low prices and high standard of living are due to the manufacturing being outsourced. i don't understand what the end goal of boosting production capabilities is
i don't understand what the end goal of boosting production capabilities is
Wartime manufacturing capacity would be my guess. Probably an element of self sufficiency too.
Shipbuilding capacity is just a fraction of China's now for example. Same goes for electronics.
why do you need self-sufficiency when you are the defense and economic leader of the global hegemony?
To maintain that leadership.
I saw that, but surely if you wanted to protect US industrial base you’d be much more targeted about it? Unless the point is to create uncertainty and devalue the dollar that way.
i think it's possible that they want to devalue the dollar. but this all defeats everything that distinguished life in the usa from other countries
Protecting interests of American businesses, possibly ideological although bribery could be involved too. Trump has been consistent on tariffs for nearly 50 years so it’s safe to assume it’s one of his few core beliefs that’s not as easily affected by his other personality issues.
American Business is modelled on importing and outsourcing. I don't understand how this protects business interests
You’re right and this disregard for the old system is making me nervous. These moves are so economically unsound that I can only draw the conclusion that the old neo-liberal business interests are not a concern anymore. If America tanks its importing and outsourcing model, what will it be replaced with? I’m not confident there’s a plan here (other than isolation and destruction).
I've been trying to figure out many of the conservative viewpoints for a long time. some of them I can steel man a little bit, but this one really confuses me a lot. it's just too stupid
Taxes make companies earn less money. Trump tries to dissuade Poland from taxing American companies using threat of tariffs. I’m not sure how to put it in easier terms.
Tariffs also lose businesses money, not sure how to make it simpler
I need you to make it less simple because you’re glossing over the details. Walk me through how tariffs on polish sausages (or whatever product/industry you think is adequate) will affect American business. This is not a symmetrical relationship between US and Poland and we don’t trade as much as most think.
The political equivalent of grade school bullying. It even has the exact same consequences for your reputation, except now it's global instead of being limited to that school building.
The question should be "What is putin trying to achieve again?"
Defend their propaganda machine at all costs?
Thems the basics.
EU really needs to at least get off of American tech in government service. Our tax shouldn't be going into their pockets.
Yeah let's see how that is going: https://blog.google/intl/de-de/feed/google-cloud-und-bsi-sichere-cloud-losungen-in-der-offentlichen-verwaltung/
The "BSI" is the German Ministry for security and information security btw
Average German retardedness
Source: am German unfortunately
What the fuuuuuck
Corporate-owned/non-FOSS software is just mindrot at this point, in the sense that the vast populous apparently cannot fathom that there's another way than trusting big tech.
All of Europe should impose those taxes. Trump can impose tariffs if he wants. Let's see how that goes for them.
If Trump impose tariffs on one of the member of the EU then the entire EU will impose tariffs too. He knows that and he will not do it because he tried it in his first term and their tariffs were not 2 days active due to counter tariffs.
Germany better march into Polandball* before the Murikans do!!
######*to defend it
The US is sanctioning itself
How do you guys think Trump would retaliate? Trade tariffs can only be made against the whole EU instead of just Poland
I bet he doesn't know that.
We know for a fact he doesn't, because we know that Angela Merkel had to explain to him on multiple occasions that he couldn't negotiate trade deals with her but had to go to the EU as a whole. But since he later had to memorize "person, woman, man, camera, TV", that information was then erased again.
SPAIN IS A BRICS COUNTRY!
50% tariffs on imported shoe polish
We have about 130 abrams, f16s make bulk of our airforce and patriots are our only modern long range sam platform. Not to mention f35s and apaches. The orangist could very easily pressure us but sadly our rulling class is bunch of bootlickers and probably are already figuring out how to undermine this bill.
This is why we shouldn't buy any more US military equipment and cancel all standing orders.
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Please tax and regulate the fuck about US big tech.
Multinational companies should be taxed on turnover in the individual countries, not on profits.
And US companies are not above the law, for fuck sake.
Except the local versions of those companies make zero profit and have no taxable income. This why everyone agreed on a basic business tax rate until the orange monkey pulled out.
Except the local versions of those companies make zero profit and have no taxable income.
They have income/turnover, they just don't have any profits - which is why I said the turnover of these should be taxed.
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The US can just impose a reciprocal tax on Polish tech's US earnings.
Can't have money flowing in the "wrong" direction. Duuh
Fuck US
How about some of those "protections" you are giving to tech given to the people?
Silly me we don't like the people anymore.
Send the ambassador home. They appointed one which loves PiS and hates Tusk just for provocation.
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