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[–] sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Those who didn't vote, who thought their vote didn't matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office.... they're complicit.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.

No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting...

Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i'm in my 40s

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[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I got a mail in ballot because I knew I wouldn't have time to make it on Voting Day

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[–] tree_frog@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don't seem to be getting the big picture.

Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn't vote are the easiest target.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn't funny.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I'm sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn't vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider "left" didn't vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I'm aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I've spoken to online also didn't vote at all for the same reason.

Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn't vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party's are owned by the rich.

Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.

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[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 127 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).

This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 35 points 2 days ago

Also, these oligarchs don't realize that they're going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don't do exactly what trump and putin want, they'll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol' days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022

[–] scifun@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.

USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.

[–] hal9000@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

This! Kamala is a black woman. She was never going to win. When asked if they would rather win or be right, they chose being right. They live on denial on how sexist and racist their country is.

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[–] dragonlobster@programming.dev 43 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, it's pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That's the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.

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[–] Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.

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[–] Silar@infosec.pub 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism" isn't really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 43 points 2 days ago (24 children)

More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

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[–] td_sp@lemmynsfw.com 46 points 2 days ago (3 children)

~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat

Maybe it's time for the rest of the world to realize it's not "just trump" but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.

Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.

Maybe it's time to not consider Americans friends, and to stop supporting it as much as possible. I've started cutting off the american-made stuff I buy.

[–] s08nlql9@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.

I think so too. They are not big, just loud.

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[–] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 82 points 2 days ago (2 children)

...... So fucking what?

"Ooh, he hasn't got a mandate." Yeah, know what he has got?

CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.

(Yes, I know, don't abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like "it'll obviously work out fine just wait it out" shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Idk, I can respect where you're coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying "Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you're fighting against the will of the people" etc. type crap

Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn't any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn't like what's happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they're staying informed about current events

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people's votes. If you don't live in a swing state then that's understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn't vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.

I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

pfff... he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah. American here. It’s generally the case that the president gets votes from a minority of the population. Nothing new there. Unfortunately those of us who live here can see that the support for this monster is very real.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, "did not vote" would win the presidency.

We're always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there's a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn't possibly give a shit less....

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (46 children)

Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 37 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I am curious how many of those 36% that didn't vote wanted to but couldn't due to gerrymandering and other bullshit.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.

Pew research found that:

Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.

So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.

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[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a brit I have found it fascinating how American and British politics seem to mirror each other. This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit. The stats the TV showed was 51% vs 49% in favour of Brexit but only 60% of the country voted and with this teeny tiny majority of voters the Conservatives enacted a massive constitutional change and causes absolute havoc which we are still paying for today.

We've since voted out the party that caused it but it landed us with an ineffective centrist Labour party who are continuing the mistakes of the past and not appealing to the left in the slightest (sound familiar?). This government still has 4 more years left in power but unless they change tack then I am very worried that we will have a extreme right version of the Conservatives in power next election.

The problem is the First Past The Post voting system. It's not true democracy. It's weighted to the right. Two parties, both in the pocket of big business. One who says "Oh, we'd love to help all you poors but it's really not possible to increase taxes on the rich and invest in our country", and the other who says "you'll be poor but at least you're not gonna get deported or persecuted like those gay and brown people".

TLDR: Both the US and the UK need urgent electoral reform. Write to your representative. Make it an issue. Do not stop until it is a number one priority for these ghouls or they will keep fucking us.

Thank you for attending my Ted talk. Goodnight.

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[–] itspatato@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

End the electoral college… citizen United super charged the electroal college for the rich

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[–] xorollo@leminal.space 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The really shocking stat is the growing number of eligible voters who have just stopped voting or participating in the system at all. When you look at the #1 reason why it is "no matter who wins my life doesn't get better and no candidate represents me". We have a quasi functional democracy at this point.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (39 children)

If you didn't vote then you voted for the bad guy.

If you didn't vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.

If you didn't vote you voted for Trump.

If you didn't vote you are responsible for the current situation.

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[–] yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

"my vote won't change anything", "i don't like any of them", "that won't affect me", call leopards for those 36%

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Not a mandate, but voter's apathetic acceptance.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well the US clearly doesn’t mind that much cause they’re accepting his neverending stream of shit.

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[–] Legume5534@lemm.ee 15 points 2 days ago (15 children)

If you didn't vote then you were fine with this outcome. The majority are ok with Trump winning.

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