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[–] scifun@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.

USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.

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[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago

Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I'm not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of "more of the same"

[–] hikuro93@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While your logic does have a point, and there's no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.

Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: "Better living conditions, lower prices" and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be "more honest" and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.

The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.

The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there's several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.

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[–] sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Those who didn't vote, who thought their vote didn't matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office.... they're complicit.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (16 children)

The only significantly statically impactful group of "non voters" is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.

Meaning the major majority of voters that didn't vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.

These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters' that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.

I guess I just want to say "in conclusion" that the vast majority of voters that didn't vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.

I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to "risk" their shift for.

No one's gonna "risk a shift" for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don't get people to "risk their shift" for voting for a lesser evil.

[–] ceiphas@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting...

Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i'm in my 40s

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

No it's the voters fault. Never forget. \s

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[–] palencharizard@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

This is misleading.

According to those stats, the majority of people voted for someone other than Harris as well.

The real takeaway here is large percentage of people that don't vote.

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 137 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).

This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 38 points 3 days ago

Also, these oligarchs don't realize that they're going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don't do exactly what trump and putin want, they'll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol' days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn't funny.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

While I'm sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn't vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider "left" didn't vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I'm aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I've spoken to online also didn't vote at all for the same reason.

Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn't vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party's are owned by the rich.

Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 106 points 3 days ago (5 children)

"69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism" isn't really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (27 children)

More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

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[–] dragonlobster@programming.dev 43 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.

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[–] AlbertSpangler@lemmings.world 85 points 3 days ago (2 children)

...... So fucking what?

"Ooh, he hasn't got a mandate." Yeah, know what he has got?

CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.

(Yes, I know, don't abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like "it'll obviously work out fine just wait it out" shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Idk, I can respect where you're coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying "Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you're fighting against the will of the people" etc. type crap

Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn't any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn't like what's happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they're staying informed about current events

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[–] despicable@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pffffft, the rest of you lot knew what was at stake, the lazy twats who couldn't be bothered to save their own nation by exercising their RIGHT to vote aren't off the hook. I've literally started to cringe when hearing Americans in public (I live in the UK) because in my mind subconsciously there's a high chance that person is dumb as fuck.

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[–] td_sp@lemmynsfw.com 47 points 3 days ago (4 children)

~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat

Maybe it's time for the rest of the world to realize it's not "just trump" but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.

Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.

Maybe it's time to not consider Americans friends, and to stop supporting it as much as possible. I've started cutting off the american-made stuff I buy.

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

pfff... he won twice. if americans would want a real democracy that wouldnt have happened.

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[–] Silar@infosec.pub 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?

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[–] Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.

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[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people's votes. If you don't live in a swing state then that's understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn't vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.

I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?

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[–] lud@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

In conclusion 68% let Trump win or directly voted for him.

[–] RizzoTheSmall@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

68.1% of US citizens are bloody idiots.

Guess why some of these people didn't even bother to vote.

[–] yoriaiko@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 days ago

"my vote won't change anything", "i don't like any of them", "that won't affect me", call leopards for those 36%

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's something to keep in mind.

Don't alienate those 36.32%. I'm sure some of us have strong feelings about their choices, but at the end of the day they outnumber Democrats and Republicans each by quite a bit. If you want to see change you are going to have to convince some of them to join you. This goes for elections and this goes for revolutions.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It's so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, "did not vote" would win the presidency.

We're always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there's a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn't possibly give a shit less....

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (54 children)

Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.

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[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.

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[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

I'll take whoever this "Did not vote" instead please

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 38 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I am curious how many of those 36% that didn't vote wanted to but couldn't due to gerrymandering and other bullshit.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.

Pew research found that:

Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.

So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.

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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, in 1933 when the NSPD came to power they had 43% of the seats in parliament (I haven't found the percentage of the total votes but I imagine it was much less). That did not prevent them from repeating the elections at the end of that year and getting more than 90%, you can imagine how.

Even a part of popular culture accepts that they came to power by winning elections and the German people feel and felt the shame that they came to power by democratic means, which is only half true.

I feel sorry for the American people, but they elected this team under the same rules of democracy as their previous presidents. To claim now that his election was not democratic is to distort the facts.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago

Not a mandate, but voter's apathetic acceptance.

[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

American democracy and freedom are fucked. But I don't blame those 36% of non-voters. These people were INSPIRED to give up on politics.

It's the media environment. Political coverage fucking sucks by design. Left populism is too interesting to be given air time, too much of a threat to the people who fund the parties and own the media. Politics used to be interesting. Politicians used to say things, now they just run out the clock with white noise.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean no

In an election between Bush and Kerry (the guy who lost 2004 election) or something like that then yes. People can be annoyed or just too busy to vote.

This election was perfectly clear that the future of US democracy was at stake and more than 1/3 of the voters decided to not show up. They decided that they were fine not choosing and as such fine with either option. I mean even if the choice was between Trump and a dog, the dog should have won by a landslide. 4 years of nothing would have been miles better than the decades that US is going back.

This presidency is already catastrophic and it barely even started.

I don’t even know how the US and the world can handle 4 years of this shit at this pace.

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[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a brit I have found it fascinating how American and British politics seem to mirror each other. This is exactly the same argument that was levelled against Brexit. The stats the TV showed was 51% vs 49% in favour of Brexit but only 60% of the country voted and with this teeny tiny majority of voters the Conservatives enacted a massive constitutional change and causes absolute havoc which we are still paying for today.

We've since voted out the party that caused it but it landed us with an ineffective centrist Labour party who are continuing the mistakes of the past and not appealing to the left in the slightest (sound familiar?). This government still has 4 more years left in power but unless they change tack then I am very worried that we will have a extreme right version of the Conservatives in power next election.

The problem is the First Past The Post voting system. It's not true democracy. It's weighted to the right. Two parties, both in the pocket of big business. One who says "Oh, we'd love to help all you poors but it's really not possible to increase taxes on the rich and invest in our country", and the other who says "you'll be poor but at least you're not gonna get deported or persecuted like those gay and brown people".

TLDR: Both the US and the UK need urgent electoral reform. Write to your representative. Make it an issue. Do not stop until it is a number one priority for these ghouls or they will keep fucking us.

Thank you for attending my Ted talk. Goodnight.

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[–] xorollo@leminal.space 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Let's get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.

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[–] itspatato@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

End the electoral college… citizen United super charged the electroal college for the rich

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