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Putin says Ukrainians must 'surrender or die'. (www.voanews.com)

submitted 2 days ago by Mee@reddthat.com to c/world@lemmy.world

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Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia had trapped the remaining Ukrainian soldiers in its western Kursk region, where they have held on for more than seven months in one of the most important battles of the war.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 73 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Europe, I hope y'all are doing the whole "speak quietly and carry a big stick."

Because if Putin steam rolls Ukraine, he's not stopping there, and now he has the US government under his control too.

[–] cool@lemmings.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If Europe really wanted to stop Russia, they would've sent armies into Ukraine.

"We don't want to escalate because it might start WW3!"

But Putin is going to attack you guys anyways when he's done with Ukraine.

"Yes, but this is the rhetoric dumbasses have been told to peddle so that's what we're doing!"

I still remember when people said Ukraine shouldn't mine its border because it would be seen as "escalation." Funny how the wrong-crowd always scatters like roaches after the damage is done.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

They have scheduled a committee meeting to decide where to plant the tree from which they might someday get big sticks.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

We're doing that. Well, without the stick.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Bet.

We ready bruv

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Russia had experience in trying to invade Finland. Hasn't gone well for them since... well, since the idea of nations to begin with.

[–] Tamei@lemm.ee 84 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man, what a peace-loving guy! Damn Ukraine for not stopping the war! >:/

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Ukraine shouldn't have started it by wanting to be independent of Russia.

Edit: do I really need to add /s?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 days ago

Ukraine asked for it. By the way she dressed. If Ukraine didn't want to be invaded, she should have just kept an aspirin between her knees

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Accept that there are those lurking here whos only purpose is to downvote good and accurate content. So for the real lemmy users, no you don't have to add it. For the ones who are only here to stir up trouble. Why bother.

[–] withabeard@lemmy.world 102 points 2 days ago (5 children)

So... Let me check I get this right on the timeline.

America Europe Ukraine meet, agree to a 30 day ceasefire. Agree this tests if Russia is serious about ending the war. Putin gobbs off, surrender or die.

Categorical that Russia is not serious about ending the war.

Next steps boys

[–] FreeRangeMustard@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago

Shame.

[–] Sirus@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago

The next step is to get Putin to a table and poison or radiate him and end it that way.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump gets angry how his perfect plan fails, calls for sanctions and increased weapon delivered to Ukraine of of spite.

[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Or he sulks in the corner focuses on his trade war and bans media outlets that point out how terrible is at negotiation.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

Because they need Ukrainian resources or the Russian state goes bankrupt and that's the end of Russia.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

America Europe Ukraine meet, agree to a 30 day ceasefire. Agree this tests if Russia is serious about ending the war. Putin gobbs off, surrender or die.

[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 57 points 2 days ago

Bro, you don't even have the strongest army inside of Russia.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Fucking war criminal.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hm this is going to be a real speedbump on the way to Trump's Nobel

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

I heard that Duterte got his Nobel price for his hard work in the Filipines! C'mon putin, visit Cancun but why not have some touchdowns along the way. See if you can tell interpol from cute dancers or maybe food servants? The interpol has your price! Come get it!

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For anyone not reading the article he is specifically talking about any troops Ukraine has left in the Kursk region as there has been a general pullback into Ukraine from Kursk in the last few days. This is not about the wider peace negotiations.

[–] AJ1@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

For anyone not reading the article

ie. everybody in the thread

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He wants peace btw

[–] BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There will be peace when there's nobody left to fight.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Technically correct dictator 🥲

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

He cherishes peace with all of his heart. He doesn't care how many men, women and children he kills to get it

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bullshit.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

Nah you can totally trust people who use the terms "or die" in peace negotiations

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So more weapons and aid to Ukraine it is then.

[+] cool@lemmings.world -7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They can't win without additional troops.

I wish I could say I don't know why you people don't realize it, but I get it now.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The Russia cannot win without additional troops either. And they cannot get those.

Eventually the Russia's economy will collapse, and at that point it will lose the war and has to leave Ukraine.

Ukraine cannot win the war, but has enough support that it also will not lose it. The Russia cannot win the war, and doesn't have enough support to avoid eventually losing it.

Once the Russia has lost the war, it has to leave Ukraine, because then there's nothing it can do to stop Ukrainian forces from taking its territories back.

It is irrelevant that Ukraine cannot win the war, since the Russia is doomed to lose it.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah but when has a grand empire ever actually bankrupted itself fighting some small, tenacious enemy? /s

[–] cool@lemmings.world -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The Russia cannot win without additional troops either. And they cannot get those.

That's... simply not true

I can tell you're a victim of the propaganda mill and get visibly uncomfortable whenever someone says something that goes against your indoctrination.

Actually, reading the rest of your post is kind of hilarious. The absolute delusions you people believe are truly a sight to behold.

Glad I paid attention in social studies. It's a shame you did not.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay, any idea of what the propaganda mill has told me, then?

The facts at hand tell that in the latter half of year 2024 Ukraine received zero military aid from USA. Because of that, the Russia was able to advance at a surpricingly fast pace. Because of this, they managed to conquer as much as 0.7 % of Ukraine's total territory during that year. Under one percent. When they were fast.

They almost never use tanks anymore, but ATV's, because they have only the tanks they are able to produce. Which is about 30 per month. Which is a lot, to be honest, but it's easy for Ukraine to destroy at least one Russian tank per day. And that makes 30 per month as well...

The Russia has had a stable recruitment ability of 25 000 to 35 000 soldiers per month, and are currently losing 1000 to 1400 per day. That makes about 40 000 soldiers lost per month. By far not all of those are deaths, but all of those are permanent losses through very serious wounds or death. When you recruit 35 000 soldiers and lose 40 000, you are not gaining any additional troops. You are keeping their numbers approximately stable, but keeping them approximately stable is what Ukraine is able to do as well. Neither side is able to get additional troops.

Please tell me. What is it that the propaganda mill has told me? I did not feel uncomfortable from what you said, because you said nothing with actual content. You said "simply not true", and left it to that.

Please tell me something that makes me feel uncomfortable.

[–] cool@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago

There you go just looking for an excuse to spew your propagandized talking points.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Are you going to make an argument of any substance or just keep on with these “you people” attempts to sound superior? If you have something to say, fucking say it instead of just spraying insults at the room.

[–] cool@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago

That’s… simply not true

I can tell you’re a victim of the propaganda mill and get visibly uncomfortable whenever someone says something that goes against your indoctrination.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Trump was supposed to end this war in a day. Has it been a day yet?

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 10 points 2 days ago

That’s not a mutually exclusive or

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

In the words of The Dread Pirate Roberts: "Death First!"

[+] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world -64 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Headline will probably work as well if you just switch positions of "Putin" and "Ukrainians".

Edit: The words in the headline, you dinguses. Switch the positions of the words and the headline will probably be true just the same way 🤦😄

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are not good at your job.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude, how do you suppose Ukraine would kill everyone in an area 7000 km wide?

[–] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

You, and 67 other people didn't catch my drift. Edited the comment to make clear what I meant.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 days ago

Let's delve a bit deeper into this: The Russia surrendering means it exists only within its borders. Ukraine is not going to kill Russians inside the Russia, nor do anything else to them either. They kill what they have to, in order to get the Russia out of Ukraine.

Ukraine surrendering means it exists within no borders whatsoever. The Russia is killing Ukrainians inside Ukraine, and will continue doing so even if the war ends.

So, Putin says Ukraine must surrender or all people of Ukraine in Ukraine will die. And you're saying it could be said that Ukraine "says" the Russia must surrender or all people of the Russian Federation in Ukraine will die. I think there's a very important difference between these two. While it would be idiotic to kill all Russians (Rossijskie) in Ukraine, it would still mean "only" killing them in one country outside their own. Killing all Ukrainians in Ukraine would mean killing them in their own country.