Bernie is the only leftist in the Senate. So until that changes it will be impossible to move beyond him.
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We need a progressive takeover of the democratic party. The MAGAs tranformed the republican party in what 10 years?
If we have midterms it has to start then.
Probably won't happen. The DNC are conservatives and the majority of the US is too. Most ppl are too dumb/uninformed to see left leaning politics is what they actually want
Which means there's no hope for this framework and the best thing that can happen is collapse and rebuild for even any long term hope for our descendants after a lot of pain.
I agree the people have been systematically made hostile to policies that would defend them the laborers from the capitalists by capitalist for profit media propaganda and capitalist captured government propaganda.
If the people are only willing to vote as "left" as the good cop fascist dems and it's a coin flip between them and the can't go any further right fascist Repubs, there is no solution short of letting entropy tear it all down.
You can't repair a sinking ship when the only solutions available are make more little holes(D) or make more big holes(R)in the hull. The people would need to at minimum have a stop making new holes (funneling all resources to the top 0.1%) party. But that's evil communist leninist Marxist socialism Herp derp! Better starve to death under a freeway 🇺🇸
*The Koch Brothers et al. used their vast wealth to transform the Republican Party in 10 years.
The biggest problem the left faces is that money is required for any political action in the U.S., and there is no money for the left. No billionaire will fund 50501, or Our Revolution, and in fact they'll gladly spend several million dollars defeating leftist primary challengers and suppressing news of protests.
Our political system is hopelessly rigged. There is no longer any way to use it to save ourselves.
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I think the language is funky. They're saying beyond, like take his ideas and go even further, not move away from Bernie. They want more and better of him.
Luigi, because Bernie was our compromise.
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Centrists need to stop telling leftists what to do and what is good for them or they're going to keep on losing elections.
It's not coming from a centrist in this case: the article is written by someone who argues Bernie is insufficiently left.
Bernie is the left's most effective advocate in the US and we need more of him.
We need more like him
Yeah, but also I think a Godzilla sized Bernie Sanders could do a lot of good.
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No, the left needs to study Bernie and take notes. Then elect politicians exactly like him.
No.
The Left needs to get rid of fucking Schumer.
Let Bernie retire, because the man was there for the signing of the declaration (pretty sure his signature is just below Adams's.)
Let the man retire. Get rido f the Quaislings that seem content to be ineffectual opposition.
Do stuff other than beg the base for money and give people somethign they can be involved in. Start looking at community efforts. Build ties at the base's own level so the base SEES the Democratic party Doing stuff locally that HELPS them.
I mean, that's basically what the article is saying, too. Just a lot more detailed, with a lot more research and evidence to support their assertion.
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this is basically saying, we are currently at -10, Sanders is at +3 and we need to jump to +10 right away. Not gonna happen unless through civil war.
More of a revolution than a civil war.
Despite all the maga bots online. There are very few die hard maga in real life.
And I realize that most of the military is Republican.
However. Trump has been fucking over the Vets pretty hard.
He also has removed a lot of the military's top leaders. People who the military personnel respected.
Surely this is going to start eroding the military personnel's loyalty.
But then I also remember how Republicans have consistently voted against their own interests.
And how many people in Russia are against the Ukraine war because they have friends and family in Ukraine. And their soldiers keep dying.
Yet...they are still following orders to attack.
Things are so uncertain.
But if the American people have to literally battle anyone in our own country it's going to be us vs our military personnel.
And they have weapons and training.
Our only real chance is using our intelligence over force. and our decentralized leadership is a strength. So one specific leader can't be targeted and disrupt the movement.
Basically guerilla warfare. Targeting propaganda, military resources, factories that manufacture weapons, and imports. And a priority is Trumps secret police force. ICE.
Because they are removing people who would stand with us. Taking away our resources.
We need to target their communication systems.
There is a few ways that can be done.
Physical disruption or by overloading their systems with inaccurate information.
Of course many of these targets potentially negatively affect the civilian combatants too.
We have to really plan this well. Be strategic.
We need to start preparing for this possibility though. Now. Right now.
I hope we can do this the legal way and get him arrested.
But if not, then we will have to consider plan B.
Every day we move closer to B. Already we are seeing more effects by vandalism of Tesla's. Vs judge orders.
I personally hold not only the 10 Dems who sold us out. But every single Republican who voted yes on the CR too.as well as voting in unqualified department heads.
The representative dems and Republicans who have not stood up to him.
They also are just as responsible.
The judges who have allowed him to continue his obviously unconstitutional activities.
Every single person in Trump's cabinet.
They will all be held accountable for their actions when this is said and done.
We won't forget. They are traitors.
Republicans were at -3 pre 2016 and they've ratcheting up to -10 pretty quickly. If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for you can drag the rest of the party along to the edges of the Overton window pretty quickly.
If you have a good charismatic leader that the base falls for
...the party's geriatric republican-lite leadership will ratfuck them out of the primaries.
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I believe the left needs to start listening to Sanders. This man is a genuine champion. He, for decades, has been shunned by his colleagues, and yet he has never wavered in continuing to fight for all of us. I wish I had a fraction of the courage this man has.
Bernie is like the only leftist rep. You mean the center-right needs to start listening to Sanders.
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Almost like some sort of grassroots 3rd party that is literally too radical of an idea for you fools in this community who argued Biden (and Harris) was somehow more leftist than Obama.
Yes, let's lose worse.
Without ranked choice voting, the only option is to fix it from within.
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A new party is needed. Be done with the garbage that we currently have
So, you think the same people who couldn't get past the DNC in 2016, 2020, and 2024 are suddenly going to be able to create a party in less than 24 months?
I'm not going to hold my breath
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This article is not what we need right now.
we can't get more than what sanders wants if we can't even get what sanders wants
Yep, article is well meaning but dumb.
Idealism is great, but politics requires pragmatism. Which is why people like AOC and Bernie (who are well left of Kamala politically) still told voters to vote for Kamala in the election - she was the only way to avoid Trump, she was the pragmatic choice.
But apparently we'll be discussing why it's a dumb idea to be a protest voter in a very close election for the next four years non-stop.
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Sanders is the american Jeremy corbyn and if it looks as though he might get near to power, the establishment will take him out, smear him and try to remove him from politics and the democratic party, just as they did corbyn.
They used the excuse of antisemitism in the labour party, which was total lies, he's the most stalwart anti-racist in UK politics and has been for decades. His record speaks for itself. He's still barred from the labour party now.
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there wont be anyone like sanders or aoc,, and all other imitation dems turn out to be shills for the gop.
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Sanders has been saying that longer than most of us have been alive...
Fuuuuck you. I've been hearing more and more from Democrats saying you better get the fuck on our boat, like this is some kind of cult and not a political party I'm tangentially associated with.
The best part about this country is no one gets to tell me a goddamn thing. You don't get to tell me "forget Bernie!" because fuck you, I'm an American and I'll hold out hope for as long as that fucker is alive, especially so when we live in a time when we're electing people well into their 80s to political power--and he's still within that strike zone.
Don't like it? Then let's talk about maximum age for service and term limits. But until we do, literally shit into your hands and eat it.
Read the article, you agree with it
I agree with a lot of this article, but it doesn't really acknowledge the reality of the Democratic leadership's obstruction. The party is, generously, a slightly left-of-center organization that prioritizes stifling their own left wing over defeating their far-right opponents. They've successfully held off two of Bernie's presidential runs, redistricted Bowman out of his seat, and Pelosi has spent so much time and effort undermining the squad (and AOC personally) that it borders on pathological.
I agree with a lot of the criticisms of Bernie in this article, and beyond that, he's just too old to be in the Senate, much less the standard bearer for the entire left, but the Democrats have spent decades making sure there's no viable alternative. We need to move past Bernie, but we need to build an actual progressive movement that can get past Democratic obstruction to do that, and for now, Bernie is still the de facto leader of that movement.
They're center right at best, they dont advocate for workers solidarity and actively distract workers from unity. They demand compromise with capitalists yet give the workers nothing. They are only left wing in social policy, on economics and governance they are fascism lite.
Even on social policy they have to be coaxed into it by a large activist movement and they'll ditch it if the Republicans make too big a stink
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We need more like sanders. Fuck the democrats. I want independents and I want all those who aren’t on board with the Democrat party to recognize it’s time for a change. Especially now in this time of rebuilding while conservatives are in power.
The sit out centrists need to vote
Bernie should be running "here's how to run for office in your area" drives on his oligarchy tour. The only way progressives will kick out corporate democrats is by the common person running more. Bernie should be pushing more people to run instead of just getting up on a stage in front of people and being a politician. He's not a good organizer. Great talker. Horrible at getting people out to vote. Dude couldn't even get enough people out to vote in the Democrat primary in 2016 to defeat Clinton. She beat him by a larger voting margin than Trump won by last year.
Oh no, every fuckin person In line to vote with me just said they were voting for Clinton because they were told he couldn't win. Everyone agreed with him yet I couldn't convince the 20 people in line that if we all voted for him it could all work. The dnc did him wrong, the media coverage wasn't great (never is take that as it is), and people thought Clinton was a shoe-in. I dont disagree with your statement for teaching people how to run, but don't disregard how the dnc didn't want him there at all.
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