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Carney orders review of F-35 fighter jet purchase from U.S.’s Lockheed Martin (www.ctvnews.ca)

submitted 20 hours ago by HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works to c/canada@lemmy.ca

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Prime Minister Mark Carney has asked for a review of Canada’s plan to purchase a fleet of F-35 fighter jets.

The deal with Lockheed Martin and the U.S. government is for 88 planes at a cost of about US$85 million each.

A spokesperson for Defence Minister Bill Blair said Carney has asked Blair to look into whether the F-35 contract is the best investment for Canada, or if there are better options.

“We need to do our homework given the changing environment, and make sure that the contract in its current form is in the best interests of Canadians and the Canadian Armed Forces,” Blair’s press secretary Laurent de Casanove said.

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 13 points 19 hours ago

Lockheed Martin — ”We specialize in destroying the lives of brown people, come fly with us”

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

They can pay me in maple syrup.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 3 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

For the $70 billion it would apparently cost in total to have these super fancy fighter jets, they could instead build a million new low-cost housing units and still have some money left over to work on inventing innovative air defence systems that aren't so expensive..

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[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Gonna need a tariff...

[+] Grimpen@lemmy.ca -10 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (9 children)

F-35 is the most advanced aircraft currently available. We've also already sunk enough money into the program to pay for the first 16 IIRC. This puts us in an awkward position, considering the possibility of degraded functionality of the F-35 without US assistance^1^.

One of the worst ways to balloon military spending without getting anything in return is to keep changing your mind and hanging procurement up in endless indecision. Combined with the money already spent, I think we have to stick with F-35 for at least a bit.

I like the Gripen, and I'd suggest a switching some of our 88 fighters to Gripen's, but apparently Gripen's aren't that much cheaper.

Long term though, I think Canada should get in on GCAP, the Global Combat Air Program. It's not expected to deliver until 2035 if everything sticks to plan, so we'd still need the F-35 or Gripens I was mentioning in the interim.

^1^ My understanding is that the "kill-switch" myth is pretty much that, a myth. There are software systems that depend on the US, apparently ALIS/ODIN, plus the MDF file updates. The possibility of a kill-switch can't be totally excluded IMO though, there is a lot of software in the F-35, and the US writes and patches it all. Even if there isn't a kill-switch, the US knows what vulnerabilities they are patching, and if any of them where exploitable, I'd imagine they'd know.

[–] Fluke@lemm.ee 6 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

The key thing you're missing here is that the programming of the ECM pod, the thing that makes the F-35 able to do what it does, the thing it's just an average 6th gen fighter without, is only done by US personnel.

Even if you could make the entire plane locally, parts wise, the US will not ever give out the pod code. Ever.

Because without it, the plane is worth less than nothing, it's a liability.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

F-35 is the most advanced aircraft currently available

in west, but it may also be too advanced as root cause of its reliability and maintenance cost problems.

sunk enough money into the program to pay for the first 16

should demand refund for those 16.

apparently Gripen’s aren’t that much cheaper.

$85m vs $109m is a fair bit cheaper. Again, the maintenance costs and flight readiness metrics matter significantly.

There are software systems that depend on the US, apparently ALIS/ODIN, plus the MDF file updates.

We don't need to focus on whether there is a "mid air kill switch or not", when we know there is a "make this a paper weight switch". Naive or disingenuous of you to say "if Lockheed finds a kill switch, they would surely patch it out"

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Also, even without any malicious back doors it is still likely far easier to attack the software and electronic vulnerabilities of the aircraft as you said.

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