Are we seriously back on this again?
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We’re supposed to trust spies working for nation-states that support Israel?
Although I think the support to Israel (which I am against too) does not play a role in the sake of this argument, I agree with you: it independent scientists couldn't find scientific evidences to support that, spies are for sure not reliable.
Okay, thank you for getting that. In retrospect, I can see how my comment might be perceived as potentially antisemitic but, I’m coming from an anti-imperialist perspective. And, the West is going to keep flooding us with anti-East and anti-Middle East propaganda.
So, to me, Germany’s support of Israel and their demonization of China is one and the same.
Not every news article and decision on the world revolves around Israel and/or Gaza.
My point is we shouldn’t be trusting spy agencies working on behalf of nation states at all, which includes pushing geopolitical narratives with the aim of Western supremacy.
“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.” -1984
Oh look, fake news to make China look bad!
But the once controversial theory has been gaining ground among some intelligence agencies
ie someone at the CIA who wont put their name to it, and a couple of corporate owned German newspapers who they fed it to
Only because the propaganda arms got defunded, but the CIA, the biggest one, didn't.
Lab leaks/accidents are fairly common. This didn't require some malicious intent or a "perfect storm" of events to occur. There are like 1 or 2 every year, that we know of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_laboratory_biosecurity_incidents
A study investigated and saw the following from 2000 to 2021 (https://www.chathamhouse.org/laboratory-accidents-and-biocontainment-breaches/scale-problem-today):
"... identified laboratory-acquired infections in 309 individuals, documented in 94 incident reports covering 51 pathogens of varying degrees of hazard. Some of these infections were fatal, and some resulted in the spread of laboratory workers’ infections to others in the community. In addition, the researchers identified 16 incidents of pathogen escape from biocontainment facilities during the period."
And that's not even including all the smaller incidents which adds up to about a hundred a year.
So a lab leak is not only plausible, it's very likely. It requires no malice or conspiracy. And Wuhan actually has a lab that was studying the COVID virus. The communist party however has already covered up, so actual evidence is hard to get.
The communist party however has already covered up, so actual evidence is hard to get.
Yet somehow you know about it?
And Wuhan actually has a lab that was studying the COVID virus.
Ya got a source for that one?
The communist party however has already covered up
The conspiracy theory here is this.
Who needs peer-reviewed science when you can just listen to western spy agencies?
Not at all. It's the CCP's MO. They probably didn't even know where it exactly came from. But started covering up anyway. It's a common theme. There was a chinese kindergarten, and rumours got around that the military was abusing the children in a basement. Instead denying it and starting an investigation, the government censored the whole thing, ordered parents to stay quiet and completely shut down the school. In the end it was just rumours, no evidence was ever found. But just in case they start covering up, almost as a reflex.
And you came into possession of this suppressed information how exactly?
Cool campfire story
It doesn't matter where it came from! It doesn't change the fact that the government and corporations left us die, then they picked over our carcasses.
They keep "believing" that's what happened because they have not presented any concrete evidence that can be used to get rid of that qualifier.
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Remember when hinting at this would get you banned from Youtube? Good times
You can't even say dead or killed or rape on youtube.
Yeah makes me not want to watch anything on there. Wife was watching some true crime and I was so confused on why they kept saying essay (SA) and grape.
Can you please censor ess*y in the future so that it'll be more difficult for me to filter automatically and actually make me way more likely to get triggered? Thanks.
"Germany’s foreign intelligence" LOL
And who wouldn't trust the BBC mouthpiece?
BBC
Go back to sleep, this is just repeat cope for failing to handle a pandemic and shifting the blame to another country.
Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: misinformation
What, we’re supposed to remove UK state-affiliated media articles about German state intelligence assessments?
They are so well trained that even when their own governments retroactively admit they lied, they will not believe it and still say lab leak is a conspiracy theory.
The SARS-CoV-2 gain of function research was going on under Fauci’s watch.
- Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 2022: A call for an independent inquiry into the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
- New Yorker, 2023: Mad Scientists - Nowhere is the lab-leak debate more personal than among the experts investigating the origins of COVID
- Consortium News, 2024: What the US Might Owe the World for Covid-19 - A U.S.-funded laboratory origin of Covid-19 would certainly constitute the most significant case of governmental gross negligence in history
Two German newspapers say they have uncovered details of an assessment carried out by spy agency BND in 2020 but never published.
But the once controversial theory has been gaining ground among some intelligence agencies - and the BND is the latest to entertain the theory.