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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Socialism in america only exists for corporations. "Hey bankers! Screwed up again? Here's more money to play with."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I appreciate the sentiment, but the public sector supporting the private is not "socialism." Socialism describes an economic formation where public ownership is primary in an economy, ie where large firms are publicly owned and controlled. Segments of an economy cannot be Socialist or Capitalist just like an arm cannot be a human, it can only exist in the context of the whole.

Socialism, in reality, refers to a broader economy where public ownership is primary, while Capitalism refers to a broader economy where private ownership is primary. All Socialist societies have had public and private Capital, and all Capitalist societies have had public and private Capital, it matters most which one has the power.

I recommend reading my post here on common problems people run into when determining Modes of Production.

[–] eurisko@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Original commenter: jokes in class solidarity

Response: « I appreciate the attempt, but what you said was wrong on sooooo many levels, in this essay, I will... »

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't make me laugh, it's not socialism! it's bro-ism, 'cause, I got you bro. If everyone got their bros and we all bros then we can do absolutely anything bro!

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[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

She's got a work on her sales pitch. "Probably one of the greatest... Oh it's not for you, it's more of a Shelbyville idea..."

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 day ago

I can't remember where I copied this from originally but it seems pertinent here

Americans are, of course, the most thoroughly and passively indoctrinated people on earth. they know next to nothing as a rule about their own history, or the histories of other nations, or the histories of the various social movements that have risen and fallen in the past, and they certainly know nothing of the complexities and contradictions comprised within words like ‘socialism’ and ‘capitalism.’

Chiefly, what they have been trained not to know or even suspect is that, in many ways, they enjoy far fewer freedoms, and suffer under a more intrusive centralized state, than do the citizens of countries with more vigorous social-democratic institutions.

This is is at once the most comic and most tragic aspect of the excitable alarm that talk of social democracy or democratic socialism can elicit on these shores.

An enormous number of Americans have been persuaded to believe that they are freer in the abstract than, say, Germans or Danes precisely because they possess far fewer freedoms in the concrete.

They are far more vulnerable to medical and financial crisis, far more likely to receive inadequate health coverage, far more prone too irreparable insolvency, far more unprotected against predatory creditors, far more subject to income inequality, and so forth, while effectively paying more in tax (when one figures in federal, state, local and sales taxes, and then compounds those by all the expenditures that in this country, as almost nowhere else, their taxes do not cover).

One might think that a people who once rebelled against the mightiest empire on earth on the principle of no taxation without representation would not meekly accept taxation without adequate government services.

But we accept what we have become used to, I suppose. Even so, one has to ask, what state apparatus in the “free” world could be more powerful and tyrannical than the one that taxes its citizens while providing no substantial civic benefits in return, solely in order to enrich a piratically overinflated military-industrial complex and to ease the tax burdens of the immensely wealthy.

[–] absentid@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Whats funnier is that when you count how many times Homer went to the hospital… unless if lives in a « socialist » country… he would be homeless

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 hours ago

Maybe that's why Lisa is spreading socialist propaganda. Bc her family directly benefits from it

He has health insurance. That's what the union episode is about even

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (41 children)

Lisa's only mistake was saying yes.

Just do every single thing in socialism, but change every single word. Call it Americanism.

Proletariat? No, just "worker".

Bourgeoisie? No, just "elites".

Capital? "Stuff". Like how in baseball they say a pitcher's got good "stuff". Use your human stuff.

Class Consciousness - "common sense".

Dialectical Materialism - Idk I'm still trying to figure out wtf that one means.

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