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[–] dick_fineman@discuss.online 49 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Just don't pay. Debt-strikes are far more damaging than a work-stoppage.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 10 points 3 days ago

This works great up until the point where a collection agency comes for your property and/or credit rating. I'm not saying don't strike, but do it with full knowledge there may be repercussions.

[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (15 children)

It’s most likely that people won’t have a choice. Many people, anyway, from what I understand of USian wages and cost of living.

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[–] omnichronos@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm so glad that I got a surprise letter in January of 2024 stating that the Biden SAVE program had forgiven my entire $320,000 worth of student loans. I had originally borrowed $150k.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Wait, was that all fucking interest???

Also for 150k you better be a fucking doctor, mate.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 12 points 3 days ago

I am reminded again of how we need to organized. A few people here or there defaulting on loans or refusing to pay won't make a difference. A lot of people not paying, but not talking to each other, is kind of a wild card. But if you and fifty thousand of your closest friends went to DC together to tell your reps this is unacceptable, and if they want to sleep at night it will change, maybe we'd see change.

But organizing is really hard and I don't know how to go about it effectively.

[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 92 points 4 days ago (6 children)

With no DOE employees to process defaults?

Nobody should be paying a red cent.

If your choice is draining your entire bank account to the point you can't afford to live or suffering a credit score penalty, then the credit score should be sacrificed.

"but they can..."

Stop. Nothing they can do is worse than starving. Don't pay them. Use your money for your own needs.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I wish more people understood no one can stop you if there is no one to stop you.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I wish Trump didn't understand that.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (14 children)

Try getting an apartment or renewing a lease with a truly shit credit score.

Oops, you don't qualify anymore, anywhere, your options are now homelessness, much more expensive hopping between motels every 3 weeks, or live in your car, hope you're still making those payments.

Fairly difficult to cost-effectively cook and store food when you're in any of those situations.

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[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Crashing the economy is the point, isn't it. Every crash the richest few scoop up the assets and the peasants (most of Americans) settle for working for whatever scraps they can manage.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

An rendition of Trump's Greater Depression:

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago

My only hope is that America slingshots back to Roosevelt era policies. Wild that this exact shit happened and what saved us? Oh social programs and high tax rates on the wealthy.

[–] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Don't pay. Debt strike.

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Could you explain to non-Americans what is the appeal of student loans if they can do this? Why shouldn't people go to cheaper schools to get their degrees instead? I mean no disrespect, if you are rich go to Yale or whatever, by all means.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago (12 children)

There are no cheaper schools. There are expensive ones and more expensive ones. There is literally no option for the non-rich except to go into debt or learn to be a plumber.

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[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 days ago

There are no such thing as cheaper schools. They got rid of that because they were angry college students protested the Vietnam War. So now getting an education means doing business with the worst loan shark you've ever heard of, legally protected from bankruptcy. The thing you have to understand about America is that everything is a scam. Like healthcare or housing or a child care and a bunch of other things I'm not even thinking about

[–] Leeks@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Children are told that they MUST go to college to get a stable and high paying job. This is so prevalent that college degrees are just seen as “the next step after high school” and nobody questions it. These colleges have figured out they can charge almost anything because they are seen as the gate keepers to high paying and stable jobs. So banking on future earnings, bearly emancipated teenagers, with the absolute minimum of a financial education, make life decisions that will put them in debt for the next 20-30 years.

The problem with the whole system is there doesn’t appear to be enough high paying and stable jobs.

As far as going to a cheaper college, I think you identified the issue in your very own comment. Schools have different prestige levels. Yale, for example, is a high prestige school and not only are you paying for an education, you are also paying to connect to rich people. These connections can be worth a lot of money if they are used correctly. So going to a cheaper college also means less valuable connections.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Even beyond connections, just the sticker on a resumé that says "" means you're less likely to get shunted into the shitter with 95% of other applicants, if you don't already have an "in" that cuts past the resumé stage.

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[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago (17 children)

I went to a really cheap school. My master’s was 40k.

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[–] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Same as in the UK I imagine. No university is affordable. Unless you are rich, you can't go without a loan.

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[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

Three things going on:

  1. Schools are expensive because the amount of public funding to universities has been slowly shrinking over the past 60 years. College in the US back in th 1960s was very cheap.
  2. Student loan amounts due did not change, but income based repayment options did which means people's minimum payments went up
  3. Students in the US were told college is the only career path for the past 40-50 years. This obviously isn't true and is why we have trades shortages. In many cases, that's also all the advice people received. There was no coaching for what kind of degree to pursue or what field to angle for, so a number of people got expensive degrees that didn't have good career prospects. To be completely honest, I lucked into choosing engineering because of my interests and the interests of my friends
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[–] tischbier@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Quick numbers for those reading:

  • Overall debt grew by $93 billion in the last three months of 2024 -- and about half of that increase was new credit card debt.
  • Americans' total credit card balances now stand at a record-high $1.21 trillion.
  • Americans hold nearly $1.7 trillion in auto loan debt.
  • Americans' total household debt is $18.04 trillion -- including credit cards, mortgages, auto loans and student loans

STUDENT DEBT:

  • Americans hold $1.62 trillion in student debt.
  • Missed federal student loan payments were not reported to credit bureaus between 2020Q2 and 2024Q3.
  • Consequently, less than % of aggregate student debt was reported 90+ days delinquent or in default in 2024Q4.
  • Missed federal student loan payments will likely begin appearing on reports beginning in 2025Q1.

Here’s the report: House Hold Debt and Credit: Q4 2024 (published 2025 by Federal Reserve Bank of New York)

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

this story is actually insane.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Crashing the stock market may be the plan here. Follow me on this ...

Crashing the market and removing 20 to 30 percent of value.

Then at the low point invest heavily into the DOW.

Now support the market and get it back to previous levels.

Fucking rich fucks just made 30% in 1 to 2 years on that investment.

[–] vfsh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Hey now you're forgetting that they're also going short on everything and making money on the fucking way down too!

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It says "Trump’s changes to income-driven repayment plans."

I don't get it - aren't student loans fixed amounts, with monthly payments calculated to pay off the loan after a certain amount of time? How can they just raise the payments?

Not much detail in the article but it does mention Biden's student debt forgiveness plan being blocked and Trump pausing applications for some income-dependent payment thing. Are we seeing people whose payments would have been reduced by either of those suddenly not having them available anymore?

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Most people are relying on income-driven repayment due to high interest rates and inflated tuition costs. IDR reduces your monthly payment to a fixed percentage of your income, but it does not scale the interest generated on the principle. The new SAVE plan was intended to scale the interest along with the monthly payment so your debt wouldn't keep piling up due to being on IDR.

Trump is removing all forms of IDR and blocking applications to renew existing plans, which means everyone will be forced to pay their full monthly amount (which is based on a 10 yr payoff plan). A lot of newer student loans are close to ~$100K or more, so imagine trying to pay that off in 10 yrs in the current job market.

Prepare for mass defaults on loans. This is absolutely going to crash the economy, and will very likely be worse than the housing market crash in ~2009.

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[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (6 children)

My mom qualified for, and received, federal student loan forgiveness. Yes, she had to make payments and work in a qualifying job for 10 years but due to her low income the payment amount was adjusted down.

Unless you're in a position that qualifies for loan forgiveness, and you trust that forgiveness will be there when you qualify, income based payment rates are not a good idea. The total amount owed by my mom actually grew over the years because the amount she was paying was less than the amount of interest charged. For a bit when she was 8 years in she had a scare that she wouldn't qualify and was shocked to find this out, despite saying "I've paid thousands!!!".

Your average American isn't very financially literat, or lives in the land of denial, which makes them easy to take advantage of.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This right here.

My partner graduated with a Master's degree and about 40k in loans. After paying on an income driven plan for 10 years, they now only owe 45k!

Good time to point out that only about 30% of PSLF applications are accepted (so working for public sector for shit pay for 10 years has about a 30% chance of working) and (last I checked) only 37 (not %, but total) IDR plans have been forgiven.

You have been sold a lie about college. A degree will not get you a job. It will not get you 60k starting and double it in 4 years. Your field will not be hiring, and if it is, they'll want a doctorate and 10 years experience for barely a livable wage. Cancel student debt. Raise minimum wage, cap maximum compensation, implement a progressive tax rate, and establish social services so people can retire and turn over their jobs and roles to the next generation.

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[–] El_Azulito@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (5 children)

$5000? …A month? A sudden rate increase 10 times the agreed amount? This smells like rage bait. We are not in post-World War I, Germany, yet.

[–] LordPassionFruit@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

My partner was eligible for ~$750 per month repayments under a Biden era plan that Trump scrapped. They now have to pay ~$4300 per month. The headline isn't far off.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago

You are post world war germany. Namely 1933. Wake up.

[–] MetaCubed@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I mean... There's a full article explaining the cause for the increases, it's not like there's no reasoning provided.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The fact that it's bad doesn't make it impossible.

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