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It's called r/poldersocialisme and I feel like even the slightest anti-imperialism or ML thought gets scrutinized there. Today with the war in Palestine, every single pro Palestine comment or post got downvoted. This wouldn't have happened a year ago I feel like. Slowly the subreddit got run over by more social democrats and even right wingers. The mods don't do anything to stop it. They are actually making it worse. I once got a tempban for 'denying the Uyghur genocide'. They have a flair for right wingers as well, like theyre inviting them. What's the point of a Dutch socialist subreddit when the viewpoints are the exact same as the ones that are already established throughout the whole Dutch media landscape?

Sorry for my niche rant, but as a Dutch ML I feel more alone in my viewpoints every day, and I'm losing hope in the Dutch left but hope I can do something to revitalize it.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is not just a Dutch problem, it replicates itself across almost the entirety of Europe. The imperial core's left has a massive social chauvinism problem, and where there is chauvinism there is a rife breeding ground for right wing thought. It is also extremely infiltrated by cointelpro agents and by liberals calling themselves social democrats.

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 year ago

I assume a lot of actual leftists left Reddit in the mass exodus this year like I did, which would leave the entire site more rightist.

[–] Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago

Reddit is a cia mouthpiece when active. With the Ukraine war, every single sentiment suddenly turned pro-Ukraine and anti-Russian.

You are not alone. I used to frequent the subreddit as well, and everything about China for example was removed or heavily censored against. It is most definitely a more demsoc or socdem community now, with some very reactionary views when it comes to AES and international solidarity.

I noticed more backlash and bolder stances from a handful of other regular ML's, but it seems like it won't matter much as we are a minority among the usual western ultra's and socdems.

All in all you're not alone, and I hope this message is at least some comfort. Things are tough, but don't despair.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I left for good some weeks ago because I figured it was useless being there. GL/PvdA gets the Democrat treatment of TACTICAL VOTING and I went to take a quick look about Palestine yesterday and it's all: Hamas bad Slava Israel stuff.

Let them fuck themselves I'd say. Vote for your pathetic Green/Labour fusion who is already bailing out in thing like raising the minimum wage BEFORE elections. Just give money to NATO and hope that you will get a small crumb that falls of the capitalist plate. That's being Dutch 'left' at the moment. Glad I left that country.

[–] Alunyanners@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

buncha national socialists lmfao

Every big tent not controlled by ML will sooner or later devolve into succdem centrism, then purge communists.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel you, comrade. I visit that subreddit from time to time, and I've noticed how it's filled with social democrats. They're not exactly hiding it either, which you can tell by the flair they use. (And from their lib opinions, of course). There are a few MLs on there, but their voices pretty much get drowned out by the horde of succdems who laugh at you when you tell them that Frans Timmermans is not a leftist.

The right-wing flair thing is indeed fucking stupid. That flair seems to be used by nazbols/right-deviationist types. The fact that those are welcome, disgusts me. They tend to blend in because economically they don't differ much from the regular social democrats who post there, with both promoting socdem parties. (Hm, something about the moderate wing of fascism thinkin-lenin ). I can't say I'm surprised though, because for some time the sub used to have a link to stupidpol in their sidebanner, which they later got rid of.

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

It's always been like that. It's a right wing sub on a right wing website.