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cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/54068

Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".

A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.


Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source


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[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Now try and get the majority to agree on what anything in this list means

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago

i'm still trying to wrap my head around the irony of forming a party against parties.

BE. INDEPENDENT. fuck, do the research. America's government was supposed to be against such things.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Only 69% support gay marriage? That's wild.

[–] tatann@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

Nice

I mean the 69, not the 31% bigots

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IIRC interracial marriage didn't get more than 50% support until the late 90s. In general public support lags behind progressive lawmaking.

That in addition to more 'nuanced' opinions on it. Does "Sure 'they' can do whatever they want, but none of my children are allowed!" count as support or not? It probably gets counted as support/opposition depending on what the poll asker wants, if they even get that granular.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

Also, does "support" mean they support it being legal or support it happening? You can be in favor of it being allowed without agreeing with people doing it.

[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm calling BS on most of these numbers.

The top 3 are already wrong so I can only hazard a guess that the rest are also wrong.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/513623/majority-continues-favor-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

I'm not even going to bother looking at the rest because the top 3 were already wrong.

The graphic is either poorly researched or intentionally misleading and either way I don't care for it.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I checked the first three and they all seemed the same or higher.

69 vs 85% for abortion according to your first link. Although clearly the number is from another source with different phrasing.

72 vs 68% according to your second source

And here's a source for 90% on #3 - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/90-percent-want-background-checks/

Anyway, I hate info graphics, too, but these hardly seem wrong or misleading.

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[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

An appeal to majority isn't going to sway anyone on either side of the issue because it rings false to those opposed and lacks actual reason to those who support, this is the kind of messaging that will sink a campaign

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

I mean, "We're starting a new party! The Infograph Party!" was a loser to begin with. But coming straight out of the gate with "You're already a member, you just don't know it yet" naive dogmatism certainly isn't helping.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I agree with all except not owning a gun. I’m not a 2A’er, but legal and responsible gun ownership is one of our constitutional rights. The problems we have with guns right now fall directly into gun control territory, which is listed right below owning a gun on this list.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago

The militias are not well-regulated.

[–] scops@reddthat.com 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I would be very careful how they word any mention of guns. It's very easy to get people arguing past each other even when they share very similar views, thanks to how groups like the NRA have mucked up 2A discourse.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

If only people felt as fervent about the other amendments.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (5 children)

A revolver, shotgun, or other firearms without magazines are fine for most hunting and self-defense cases. I don't have a problem with an 18yo buying one of these on their birthday. I do have major problems with a teen, or anyone really, coming in with zero history of firearm ownership and buying 1000 rounds and a semi-auto, high-powered weapon.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Agreed. First comes education. Then comes ownership. When my kids are old enough, I’m going to get them firearm classes so they at least know how it all works.

I'd be open to "opt in" classes in high school as well. I don't believe ignorance of guns keeps you safe from them.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Owning guns to defend yourself against tyrannical government made sense a hundred years ago .... it wouldn't make a difference in modern times.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Maybe. But, and hear me out, we do not want to make it easy for them when they inevitably come for us.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well, I don't even own a gun, but I think you underestimate armed resistance

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

2A proponents suddenly supporting the right to own ICBMs

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

By "suddenly", you mean, they always have?

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[–] Sirus@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago

Right, we need anti-air missiles now! Where do I sign up?

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Medicare for all 55% is just the saddest stat have seen in a while.

[–] yoshman@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Probably poor branding, after years of being called a scam. Kind of like Obamacare v. ACA.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My question is: what percentage support all of those? The curse of dimensionality applies here because of the large number of features.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yep. Even the gun control issue, which is the most conflicted on this thread, isn't a binary. What gun control? Background checks? Magazine restrictions? Firing mode restrictions? Barrel length restrictions? Round size/energy restrictions? Education, training, and/or storage requirements?

90% of people may agree that we need something, but they likely won't agree on what.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Since most are >50% and many are >75%, the crossover is probably large enough that it won’t make a difference

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Intuitively it would seem like that, but that’s why the curse of dimensionality is a mathematical paradox: its results are not intuitive!

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

Surely the problem with all the other third parties is that they didn't try to appeal to the majority of people.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Sure sure, if only 40% of us could be arsed to vote.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Only 55% approves of medicare for all? What is wrong with you guys?

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Most think about how they can’t afford a 2% increase in their taxes and forget about the $500 per month premium they won’t have to pay anymore

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Which is exactly how right-wing media has spun it.

Americans have been conditioned to have such a knee-jerk reaction to "taxes" that we can't comprehend the increase in taxes for M4A < the current cost we pay in premiums + copays + deductibles + coinsurance + HSA etc.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago

I don’t want to PAY for someone ELSE’S healthcare! I just want INSURANCE where I PAY for SOMEONE ELSE’S HEALTHCARE!

Facts and loggiiiccccccc

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Persistent, heavy propaganda has convinced many Americans that Medicare is somehow worse than their current insurance coverage. It’s quite insane but that’s why this number is so low.

To put a fine point on it: the common lie in the media is that Medicare for all means you lose your current insurance. This is true, and it would be replaced by the much better and more affordable Medicare, but they never say this last part.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 5 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Why did Americans bother putting in first past the post if they were gonna be too dumb to understand it?

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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I feel like there's a lot off on this one.

If they count neutral or no-votes, this might be true.

If this is the real feel of the country, I believe we would've voted as such.

[–] tamman2000@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

Na, it's real...

The thing is, most voters are low information voters. There are a hell of a lot of reliable republican voters who oppose the majority of their agenda, even before project2025...

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Should call it the 66% party and only support things that 2/3rds of the public support.

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