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Yale professor who studies fascism fleeing US to work in Canada (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 114 points 3 days ago (8 children)

“When I saw Columbia completely capitulate, and I saw this vocabulary of, well, we’re going to work behind the scenes because we’re not going to get targeted – that whole way of thinking pre-supposes that some universities will get targeted, and you don’t want to be one of those universities, and that’s just a losing strategy,” he said.

Stanley added: “You’ve got to just band together and say an attack on one university is an attack on all universities. And maybe you lose that fight, but you’re certainly going to lose this one if you give up before you fight.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

seems he didn't wanna study it that closely

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who would?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

many, many millions of people, going by the election results.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 51 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is a very bad sign.. this guy is a US citizen, right? If even he feels the need to flee, from the seclusion of the ivory tower ...

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It's crystal clear they'll soon start widespread criminalization of everything they deem liberal (woke, dei, lgbtq, etc).

If you're an educated professional in America ((STEM)), you should be making moves to get the fuck out and brain drain the fascist dictatorship, because they will come for you sooner than later; especially when the economy collapses and they realize their best and brightest are fleeing to former allies en mass.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't forget wearing glasses.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I see I'm not the only one who's mind has drifted toward Pol Pot. I truly hope the anti-intellectualism in the US doesn't reach that degree, but honestly, I don't know how surprised I would be at this point.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Thankfully if it comes to that there are easy work around. Men could switch to prescription sunglasses and act cool, women can tie their hair tight and play the librarian kink angle. Maga will never see thru the ruse. (C'est pas parce qu'on rit que c'est drôle)

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

educated professional in America ((STEM))

I get what you're saying, but there's no need to exclude the humanities from this. In fact, between this Yale prof and the way Columbia gave in to the administration's demands, it looks like STEM profs haven't yet been targeted in the same way.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They don’t even need to criminalize your conduct to indefinitely detain / deport you, and you might be deported to a country with even less due process / human rights protections.

It’s an important distinction, because it means they don’t have to criminalize things that their allies also do in order to catch their intended targets.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Once they've found they can ignore the courts to just kidnap and disappear anyone they don't like from immigrant populations, what's to stop them moving on to US citizens? Fascists aren't known for their restraint.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm in the same exact boat. US citizen, making my way out because it's way too dangerous. I can read the writing on the wall.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wow, I can't believe how common this is becoming. There was an article about this recently, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/gold-card-residence-abroad/682103/ (archive https://archive.is/q3iCF )

Out of curiosity (and on the off-chance that it helps out a fellow USian) how are you getting out? What's the path you've picked, if you've gotten that far, or what options are you considering?

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Work transfer. Contracts are signed, lawyers are lawyering, I'm just waiting and planning the logistics.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 6 points 3 days ago

Like an intra-corporate transfer to the Canadian office of your current US-based employer?

Also, welcome!

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

They've been going after academics and students first. Standard fascist dictatorship stuff.

[–] arankays@lemmy.ca 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"may become"

Dude it already is a fascist dictatorship. People are getting unalived and disappearing for their opinions.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Murdered and abducted, newspeak nobody.

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

"Unalived" might be a euphemism that's only necessary on certain social media to avoid censorship nowadays, but people were using the term "disappearing" (especially as a transitive verb) during Chile's Pinochet regime, if not earlier.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Disappear" used in that way is not new. Unfortunately.

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[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Unalive and disappear don't change the meaning of the thought, and they circumvent ideological restrictions that intent to restrict thought. This is opposite the effect of newspeak.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago

It is almost as if they have seen this movie and the several remakes before.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago

Humanities academics will do anything to avoid fieldwork.

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 20 points 3 days ago

Anybody who can leave the Untied States at this point, should

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

We actually should start working on a solution to house the massive amount of migrants that's will soon be arriving here.... No joke. And it wouldn't be bad for us but only if we plan accordingly and plan it to be sustainable and long lasting

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Step 1: draft them

Step 2: prepare for the invasion

[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 days ago

I've honestly had this thought, 4 years of military / civil service and you get citizenship to Canada.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Yes, Canada and other countries need to be anticipating large numbers of refugees from the USA. And it's just one more reason why Canada really needs to sort out its housing situation.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Based on the research I've done about migrating to Canada, this is already done. There is a whole process to get approved including a labor impact assessment. You can just show up to Canada and get a job and start using public resources without a ton of paperwork and approval process.

I guess if Canada has to start accepting refugees then that may be different.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

When I immigrated to Canada the process was rather arduous, and the categories under which you could immigrate were quite restricted. It depends on your skills, your age, your finances, your family (if any) in Canada, which employment categories Canada is prioritizing, and so on. There's information here for anyone considering it:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html

And a questionnaire to find out whether you're eligible to apply to immigrate to Canada:

https://onlineservices-servicesenligne.cic.gc.ca/c2c/

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 3 points 2 days ago

Also, for Express Entry the age limit is 55. Not sure what PR pathways exist for those older.

Though, while not permanent, theoretically you can just keep renewing a work permit under NAFTA. There's no age limit to the permit, so as long as you're able to work (and you have a qualifying employer and meet other requirements) you should be able to do this to stay in Canada indefinitely.

[–] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 2 points 2 days ago

If you're a US (or Mexican) citizen you don't even need LMIA, you might be eligible under NAFTA.

But I work in tech, and when I did this, I found it quite challenging to find an employer who would be willing to do this. Usually the employer needs an immigration lawyer and has to be set up with IRCC (i.e. the Canadian gov't) to do this. An LMIA - if you need one - would be even more paperwork for them.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Canary in the coal mine.

[–] twopi@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago

The Carney in the coal mine.

I'll show myself out.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 16 points 3 days ago

I got so much shit from the Canadian reddit for saying that people are literally going to flee for their lives across the border.

That was back in November. Who's right now?

[–] zlatiah@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

I read his 2018 book prior to the current Trump presidency. Good for Dr. Stanley...

... but yeah, a world expert on fascism research, and also a US citizen, getting the heck out certainly doesn't look great. I guess scientists tend to be subtle when facing media, but the last quote by him makes it pretty obvious what he's thinking

[–] MasterReflection1916@lemm.ee 9 points 3 days ago

When you know you are on the enemies list and they start rounding up the others at the top, it's time to leave

[–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

I thought he was already in Canada when he made the Rick Mercer Report.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That’s all fine or whatever. But fuck you U of T for finding the money for lifelong positions these people whereas U of T would have never created the same positions for Canadian scholars. Same thing happened back in the day of the Vietnam War and the Kent State shooting - all my profs when I did my undergrad were draft dodgers from Vietnam and/or left the US after they shot and killed students at Kent State. Now today we’re getting even more US ideology infiltrating our country because the US voted in a fascist.

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