For context: I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD and I somehow need to get an app on there that only has a flatpak release
8GB SSD
Thereβs your problem. The last time 8GB was plenty was in 1998.
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Even cheap SD cards are larger these days. The smallest SSD you can buy in the UK right now is 250GB.
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Flatpak seems to be the best choice for consistency and to have it working straight out of the box. I think Linux currently needs this because we're getting a lot less tech-savvy Linux users nowadays. Don't get me wrong; package managers should still be used, but how are we going to get people to change if they run into package conflicts or accidentally uninstall a wrong package?
And universal compatability. One repo, for all distros. That's a big plus too!
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It is also nice to have independent packages. Consistent user experience means a lot.
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You hate people who spend hundreds of ours of their free time developing software, who then release that software for free, under no obligation to you or anyone else, and your reasoning is because they provide it in a packaging solution you don't find ideal?
Maybe fuck off and write your own software.
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Yeah flatpak won't work on my Nokia 3310 either, what a shit software...
Edit: if you upvoted this comment, your kneecaps pop when you pick up things from the ground
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Personally I do like the ideas behind Snap/Flatpak. I think the sandboxing is a huge deal and will improve security going forward.
In a world where space is usually the cheapest and most available hardware on a PC, I tend to agree. That being said, it's the kind of solution that comes from engineers who put the onus on the hardware to make up for their shitty software. Engineers like me.
Yeah. Someone has to put in the work for packaging an application if you want it as a .deb/.rpm etc. package and deal with any bugs that might come up, and it's not going to be me (speaking as a user, not a developer).
That said, I also painted myself into a corner when it comes to harddrive space. LUKS can be complicated, man ...
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Cut the crap. Flatpak uses hardlink from repo where file names are jash of the file itself. The chance of duplication is exactly same as that of duplicate files of same name in same directory.
Flatpak repo grows because we trade uncertainty over abi stability with installing all needed versions of libraries. For abi incompatible builds you could already do that in many distros (versioned soname) but to a lesser extent.
Also I usually do not install nvidia GL with flatpaks that I won't run on nvidia on hybrid gpu laptops anyway for energy reasons.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of flatpak for my usage, but this isn't a great argument against it.
I'd rather someone "only" release on flatpak if that's the simplest way they can support Linux compared to no support at all.
Why the hell do you only have 8GB? Are you trying to install flatpaks on a smart fridge?
Oh lmao, I decided to look into this. https://github.com/flathub/com.ktechpit.torrhunt/blob/master/com.ktechpit.torrhunt.yaml
Looks like it just downloads the .snap package (directly from Canonical's website) and extracts it. It's also, of course, completely closed source so who knows what it's doing when it's running.
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Compile it yourself?
Compile it yourself.
Instructions unclear. Cmake ninja tool chain uses another 8gb and still get compile errors
I'm coming back to Linux after a hiatus. I've spent most of my time with the Debian flavors. Not afraid of the command line, but not an expert either.
I'm trying out Bluefin right now, semi-immutable atomic os based on silverblue, based on Fedora.
On normal installs, I usually change and install enough stuff, that when it comes time to upgrade to the next os version, I'm sometimes not able to without introducing instability or it outright falling. The former more common than the latter.
Let's just say I got used to reinstalling and starting from scratch, especially if I experimented too hard and broke something big like my DE or drivers.
So with bluefin I'm hoping to leave everything that's core, alone. I'm trying to rely on flatpaks, app images, and distrobox for everything else.
So far so successful. I've only got a couple minor gripes, some limitations of flatpaks. But I've also only been at it for like a week, so we'll see.
I guess my point is, flatpaks have a place π€·ββοΈ
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did you see those little < in front of the download sizes? org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita, org.kdePlatform.Locale, org.kde.Platform and com.ktechpit.torrhunt won't be fully downloaded as those are possibly already installed and can be reused, so in the best case you only download org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-570-86-16 fully.
I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD
Are you using a first gen eeePC?
I think I bought one of those for 40β¬, 12 years ago.
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its barely legible but isnt that still less than a gb? where you you even get an 8gb ssd? why would you use one outside of some specialized embedded application that shouldn't even have a desktop interface? and even then why not something lighter than kde or gnome
where you you even get an 8gb ssd
I bought a Fujitsu thin client for 30β¬, and I decided to spend the 5β¬ extra to get one with a drive (making it 30β¬ total.
why would you use one outside of some specialized embedded application that shouldn't even have a desktop interface?
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I have way too much free time
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I have no money
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Originally it should only have been a minimal void Linux install so it can connect to my local server via RDP. But I just realised that that futro s920 with 4 1,5ghz cores is actually way faster and more reliable than my 4th gen Intel i5 will ever be
and even then why not something lighter than kde or gnome
I ssh'd into the PC. It runs xfce4, and it is just made to display shortwave (an Internet radio player) in full screen on a cashier terminal screen that I ripped from the terminal assembly. I just needed the cheapest thing to run shortwave on so my father has an Internet radio, since the other 2 options were
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buy a big ass Antenna for his normal radio, or
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buy a used Internet radio for 200β¬ (this way it only cost about 90β¬), wait until its Server is shut down, and then somehow with a mix of wireshark, dns logging, and pure luck somehow locally rerout the domain that the radio tries to connects to, figure out what kind of json file I need to host on my local server in order to make it refresh it's database of Radios, and maintain these IPs forever.
also, please note, the image is in no way connected to this project, it just reminded me of it
Maybe get the cheapest micro sd card or usb drive you can find and install it on there? You could probably double your storage size for a couple of euros!
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Just build from source
flatpak install/update <package name> --no-related
there problem solved
Yes absolutely true, but also no.
https://gitlab.com/TheEvilSkeleton/flatpak-dedup-checker
For me it is 32GB of data with deduplication, and only like 25GB with BTRFS compression.
So while still way too much, not really a problem if you have a reasonable 50mbits+ internet connection and a 200GB+ SSD
There should still be waay more force. There should only be one runtime (FDO) and KDE and GNOME being extensions to that. Not sure if these perfectly dedupe though
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Build it from source them.
Flatpak only is a yikes, but I see the appeal Works with everyone, so is fools prove But a .deb is always welcome ;)
flatpak only on an immutable distro with podman containers is great for the dev work I do. I get all the benefits of the AUR, .deb, and zypper while keeing my machine rock solid.
I liked Snaps and Flatpaks fine when I first started using Linux, and the distro I was on treated them the same as software in the repo, but I eventually started to avoid them because of the space they take up, and because I got tired of constantly having to mess around with permissions to try to get things working. Now, if something isn't available in rpm, I use AppImage or a tarball, or compile it myself.
Lol kinda wild to me seeing flatpak hate as a new Linux user (running fedora with kids). Flatpaks have just worked for me and it's been fantastic
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I absolutely hate all this container shit, for my uses. That said, they make sense when you need to sandbox applications for whatever reason, but most of those uses seem like they would be better served with VMs.
I actually like flatpak. The only issues I have are with GTK apps which I try not to use anymore.
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Storage is cheap, I don't care at all as long as I can easily install it without having to go online to search for missing dependencies in the correct version.
My only problem with Flatpak was when I tried to install an IDE and made it use Podman or Docker and the container thingy caused problems.
"x is cheap" is not the greatest take imo. it's cheap until you just so happen to not be able to afford it. what now? better give me an income for the price in storage. not talking about flatpak specifically.
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But itβs a delta.
Then just unpack said flatpak, there are tools for that.
Or alternatively... crzyshrtct was not found on your host, but is required, daddy. Please install it to be able to use the software.
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