Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government...
I guess that's what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.
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Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn't gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they'd move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.
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Neat. I wish I could do that. I tried several years ago when I actually had some money because I saw this coming. Nobody wanted disabled people then, and less so Americans now.
People wouldn’t listen back then, when I was called hyperbolic and alarmist, and good fucking luck leaving now. People think leaving is easy – it’s not. We’re stuck in this shit show.
Can’t fix it, can’t leave. Going down with the ship. Fuck everyone who voted to kill me. I will not survive this administration. I’ll probably die within the year because, though I worked my ass off in IT since the 90s, I had to burn through my savings by being weak enough to get sick. *I already have to choose between food and medicine, so I mostly don’t eat. I’ll just stop buying medicine.
So fuck me, I deserve to die now. There’s no escape. There’s no hope.
I just want to say i live in a safe area kinda and have room if you want to survive next 4 years in a progressive state in the middle of the woods but near jobs.
That’s very kind of you, thanks, truly.
I am lucky I live on the border of a blue state. If I got to bug out, then I can.
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For the small chance that you have german ancestors, you can claim back their citizenship if they suffered under the nazi regime
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If you have any traceable Italian citizenship it is possible to claim Italian citizenship. Even like great-great-great-great-grandparents. But there's a lot of asterisks involved. There are offices that specialize in this that might help (for a fee).
But if you DO qualify and get all the paperwork and get an appointment and approved, you get full citizenship immediately. Italy always considered you a citizen since birth but did not know about you.
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Italy put a stop to this like, a few days ago. Damn. Now it's maximum grandparents. https://www.imidaily.com/europe/italy-adopts-decree-restricting-citizenship-by-descent/
Should've figured with all the anti-immigrant sentiment this would be ending soon.
It has 60 days to be approved by parliament and there's a lot of squawking about it being unconstitutional by immigration attorneys. As gross as it is, the more nationalist fucks are also against it for fairly racist reasons. They can't stand the idea of Muslims getting citizenship before anyone else 🤮
I'm hoping if it does pass, it'll still leave a route to citizenship for Italian descendants. We were literally getting ready to file when this dropped.
I missed my window for Irish citizenship by decent, was literally asking my grandma to do her ICD but they changed it before she did it, but my grandad was first generation born here. I gotta look into this now
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wish that were true if you had Dutch ancestors. My maternal Grandfather immigrated with his parents when he was a little boy and came through Ellis Island. I've tried looking before, but from what I could, that wouldn't qualify me for Dutch citizenship, sadly. Otherwise, I'd probably jump at it.
You might be able to get permanent residence first and then apply for citizenship. I recall meeting a Canadian in Amsterdam who did that.
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Yeah it's really hard. Most won't qualify.
If you're a skilled researcher or tenured professor you have a better shot but it will still not be easy.
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I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states
My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.
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Must be nice to be able to leave
scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.
Controlling the universities is for control of information.
The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.
Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”
The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)
It kinda seems like immigrants and anti-war protesters made it to the top of the list this time.
Beat me to it. How you could say the scientists are the first to go while they are putting legal residents that have done nothing into el Salvadorian prisons is beyond me.
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If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland
They can't stop us all
The goal will be to send Americans to die in war in Greenland and other countries through drafts. They will use American citizens to fight against the allied nations of World War Two. They will send you to die against your friends. Open your fucking eyes.
Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren't massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe's immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.
European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.
If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don't have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.
Hell, personally, I'm a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there's nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.
Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as "bringing the European diaspora home."
But the cold truth is it's probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries
I genuinely don't think it makes a big difference for like 99% of immigrants. The process is pretty much the same. Gotta find work, a home and learn the language. The cultural friction you mentioned mostly affects the immigrants themselves rather than society as a whole.
Plus there are already ways for Americans to move here, especially skilled workers. There are some hurdles of course but it's doable. Don't really see why we should make it any easier except for potential refugees like Latin Americans and queer people.
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I'd be afraid to announce it until I'm out
Wouldn't say this put loud until I'm in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can
love America because it doesn’t have kings
I'm not convinced a president who can act with greater impunity than a king in any modern monarchy is better.
I read that a lot, "we don't have a king, thank cod". Is it because you've seen what a hell hole e.g. the Scandinavian countries are? /s
A king in a modern monarchy is nothing more than a representative of the country. He cuts ribbons and holds encouraging speeches on New Year's. That's pretty much it.
That doesn't mean we want one
A strong Parliament/Congress and judicial system is what keeps any executive in check. We've just got the worst of both worlds.
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Back when the Queen was still alive, Stephen Fry described her role as being "as if Uncle Sam was a real person." Meaning, being a sort of personification of the country without actually holding any real power over it. I'm not a huge fan of the British monarchy, but if we have to have one I'm at least glad it's limited to being essentially a powerless tourist attraction.
While Fuck Trump, there is something deeply disturbing and creepy about constitutional monarchs.
You don't think that amongst their families in quiet hushed tones, they discuss and yearn for the prospect of returning to real power someday? They're basically tyrants-in-waiting. They're just quietly hanging out in the background, waiting for some crisis in democracy, some loss of confidence in the system, etc. Then, when confidence in democracy is at some historical nadir, they can sweep in and restore themselves to power and glory.
They're vultures. They're just biding their time, living the high life, pretending to be kind, benevolent, and harmless. Yet deep in their heart of hearts, they yearn for the power they know was taken from them. They know their ancestors had it. And they want it back.
You don't think it could happen? Democracy hasn't existed in European countries for all that long. There are many examples historically of royal restorations where royal houses returned to power, after periods out of power far longer than the existence of many European constitutional monarchies. The idea of a royal restoration returning the King of Norway to real power seems absurd. But by historical standards it's really not that absurd. Monarchy in Europe existed as a tradition for over a thousand years. Constitutional monarchy is just 1-2 centuries old, or less, in most European countries. Rome's Republic lasted half a millennia before it collapsed into an absolute monarchy. Don't dismiss the idea that the monarchs could return to power. I have little doubt that most of today's constitutional monarchs secretly dream and fantasize about the idea.
And that's what's so creepy about them. They may claim to truly believe in democracy. But if they really did, they would give up their crowns entirely. No one who really believes in democracy could accept a position that puts them as a monarch, someone entrusted by power from right of birth. Democracy begins with the proposition that all human beings are created equal. A monarch, however limited in power, is anathema to this. I don't care how constrained that power is. You cannot truly believe in democracy while serving as a monarch. In their hearts, every "constitutional monarch" dreams of the slim chance that they might see a royal restoration. They are vultures, simply waiting for democracy to get sick and stumble.
Truly, the French and the Soviets had the right idea on how to deal with royalty. Give up your crown or give up your head. That is how you deal with kings properly.
In December 2022, German authorities foiled a far-right coup attempt orchestrated by members of the Reichsbürger (Citizens of the Reich) movement, a group that denies the legitimacy of modern Germany and seeks to restore the German Empire. The plot involved plans to overthrow the federal government, storm the Bundestag (parliament), and install Heinrich XIII Prince Reuss, a descendant of the former German aristocracy, as the new head of state. The conspirators envisioned a monarchist government modeled on the pre-World War I German Reich
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Come to the Netherlands: https://dutchreview.com/expat/30-percent-ruling-netherlands/
I'd love to but I honestly have no idea where to start. That 30 percent ruling is interesting.
Timothy Synder left for Canada too...
That's two less canaries in the coalmine.
Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.
It'll take a lot more than words and guns
A whole lot more than riches and muscle
The hands of the many must join as one
And together we'll cross the river
Who gets to turn into the fire breathing t-rex?
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It'd take more than pulling a passport to prevent the average citizen from illegally entering Canada and claiming refugee status
But I understand the concerns, especially with this steadfast bullshit about Canada being the 51st state.
Shits fucked, yo.
I guess he wants to get a job there, find an apartment and then fly his family on an airplane instead sneaking in through the forest at night hoping he can spend couple months in a refugee camp whiles his application is being processed.
When you claim refugee status like this, what happens to any assets you have in US banks? Do those get blocked? Any property you own in the US, what happens to that?
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I'm a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.
Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?
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