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Junior Prompt Engineering (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 week ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 227 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tech guy invents the concept of giving instructions

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 123 points 6 days ago (1 children)

With clear requirements and outcome expected

Why did no one think of this before

[–] wtckt@lemm.ee 23 points 6 days ago

Who does that? What if they do everything right and it doesn't work and then it turns out it's my fault?

[–] Lime66@lemmy.world 76 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Relevant xkcd:

[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Who even makes these comics? Is it like Simpsons

[–] zerofk@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Randall Munroe. You may know him from such gems as xkcd 3472 and 6548.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 days ago

Getting a bit ahead of yourself, we're only on 3070 so far!

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://xkcd.com/3472 and https://xkcd.com/6548

FTFY

[–] Lime66@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is weird, it's just directing me to the 404th comic? https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/404:_Not_Found

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You have be more patient, those ones will take a while to load.

[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Web browsing 101: if you see a hyperlink on social media, you can click on it and then look around to see if it contains more links with useful information, often in the header or footer of the page. Here I found one for you: https://xkcd.com/about/

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Human communication 101: sometimes humans ask a question without expecting an answer, it's called a rhetorical question

[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 6 days ago

Sorry, I assumed this was a place of discussion and conversation. You can either be helpful or don't, it's generally considered a dick move to taunt while being helpful.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago

I wrote a shell script like this (it admin , notna dev) for private use.
The prompt took me like 5 hours of rewriting the instructions.
Don't even know yet if it works (lol)

[+] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev -8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Calling GPT a neural network is pretty generous. It's more like a markov chain

[–] brian@programming.dev 36 points 6 days ago (1 children)

it legitimately is a neutral network, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generative_pre-trained_transformer

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago

You're right, my bad.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 6 days ago

I've played with markov chains. They don't create serious results, ever. ChatGPT is right just often enough for people to think it's right all the time.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The core language model isn't a nueral network? I agree that the full application is more Markov chainy but I had no idea the LLM wasn't.

Now I'm wondering if there are any models that are actual neutral networks

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev -4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm not an expert. I'd just expect a neural network to follow the core principle of self-improvement. GPT is fundamentally unable to do this. The way it "learns" is closer to the same tech behind predictive text in your phone.

It's the reason why it can't understand why telling you to put glue on pizza is a bad idea.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 6 points 6 days ago

the main thing is that the system end-users interact with is static. it's a snapshot of all the weights of the "neurons" at a particular point in the training process. you can keep training from that snapshot for every conversation, but nobody does that live because the result wouldn't be useful. it needs to be cleaned up first. so it learns nothing from you, but it could.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"Improvement" is an open ended term. Would having longer or shorter toes be beneficial? Depends on the evolutionary environment.

ChatGPT does have a feedback loop. Every prompt you give it affects its internal state. That's why it won't give you the same response next time you give the same prompt. Will it be better or worse? Depends on what you want.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 127 points 1 week ago (14 children)

It would be nice if it was possible to describe perfectly what a program is supposed to do.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah but that's a lot of writing. Much less effort to get the plagiarism machine to write it instead.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

None of us would have jobs

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 points 6 days ago

I think the joke is that that is literally what coding, is.

[–] orvorn@slrpnk.net 86 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone should invent some kind of database of syntax, like a... code

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works 40 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But it would need to be reliable with a syntax, like some kind of grammar.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's great, but then how do we know that the grammar matches what we want to do - with some sort of test?

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How to we know what to test? Maybe with some kind of specification?

[–] maiskanzler@feddit.nl 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

People could give things a name and write down what type of thing it is.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A codegrammar?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

We don't want anything amateur. It has to be a professional codegrammar.

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[–] undefinedValue@programming.dev 28 points 1 week ago (4 children)

OP just chatting with themselves so they can screenshot it?

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That is some telegram group and both messages shows from left with profile icons(which got cropped). The screenshot person sent the last message which shows double ticks

[–] andrybak@startrek.website 4 points 6 days ago

In the desktop client the positions of bubbles also depend on the width of the window.

[–] Talia@feddit.it 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's just a fake conversation in general, look at the timestamps between the messages from the interlocutor. Several minutes to type a complete sentence?

[–] StellarSt0rm@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Hey, i can take a few hours to reply sometimes :c

[–] pufferfisherpowder@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Could be a group chat but we all know they're a twat

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