I can't wait for Linux phones to be stable enough for a daily driver.
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that has been said since before the nokia n600. lol
And we'll keep saying it until we get there.
The FuriPhone, which runs the FuriOS Linux distribution (based on Debian), has a polished enough user experience that it can be used as a daily driver by many people.
I somehow only recently saw this (few weeks ago) but man it looks awesome. I'm curious how well the android layer works as I haven't used waydroid in a long time.
It's not cheap enough to take a lark on is my only qualm.
Here's a demonstration of Waydroid on FuriOS and the accompanying blog post from 6 months ago. I'm obviously not a fan of X (Twitter), but the video shows that the app works in the Android container.
Yes, I also hope to see the price go down.
It seems like Linux-compatible android handsets stopped around 2021. Except a few bespoke models that are hard to get your hands on outside of Europe.
I have a OnePlus Nord N10 flashed with Ubuntu Touch as a tinker device, unfortunately in the US it's not daily-able because we shut down 3g and 2g networks and they still haven't managed to get VoLTE working on Ubuntu Touch yet (though it may be coming in the next year!) so phone calls don't work.
There's also the Pixel 3a/3a XL which are plentiful and cheap but I like the N10 a bit more because of the additional RAM. Makes it feel a little less old compared to the Pixel.
If you can get your hands on a Fairphone, Pinephone or Volla those are great but hard to get outside the EU.
Sorry but the pinephone is not great. I have one and its extremely underpowered to the point of uselessness.
Its like trying to use a 486 to as a current desktop.
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Good luck, phone hardware changes very fast though.
I'm okay with an older phone, I just want basic features to work consistently and well. Maybe support a newer phone every 5 years or so to provide an upgrade path.
Basically, I'm okay with the GrapheneOS strategy of sticking to one product line.
My Xperia z3c from 2014 would be perfectly fine to use right now if Google didn't absolutely bloat the crap out of their products and it had an easily replaceable battery. If companies would just support their products for longer or release the sources when it's out of support i probably would have skipped several phone upgrades. But that's probably exactly why they don't.
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So does pc hardware but Linux can breathe new life into even an old PC since the bloat does grow at the same rate as the hardware unlike other OSes
New PC hardware is mostly compatible with the old stuff or at least somewhat standardized except at the lowest end. Phone stuff is much worse about that. Idk what a Linux phone would mean anyway.
Yet the performance basically peaked already. They are doing 15% increases at the top end and less for the cheapest phones.
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Maybe whenever slider phones with full keyboards come back. Typing in the terminal would be a real chore otherwise.
You do get used to it to some degree, but yes please bring the keyboards back
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give me ANYTHING that's open-source and not tied to google or apple. i don't care if it's shit. i'm old. i just need a phone and maybe some pics and browsing.
GrapheneOS is an open-source Android fork lots of people like, it's what I'm planning on using once I get a new phone
While I'm a fan of GrapheneOS, I think it could still be considered "tied to Google" both due to it being based on Android, and also because it only runs on Google Pixel phones. Graphene focuses more on security, then on privacy, but not so much on reducing our dependency on Google's software and/or hardware.
Yeah those are things on my mind too, especially since Google moved Android behind closed doors.
My understanding is that AOSP is still and will continue to be a thing. That's Android. What Google has done though is put more and more new capabilities into Play Services, which are not open, rather than AOSP.
I hope someone will correct me or add better nuance though.
No. The latest changes by Google means all incremental work is now no longer visible to the public until a release is done. For most people and developers this shouldn't make a difference.
As an example lets say I implemented features A, B and C and then did a release to v2. Before the changes you would see A get added, then B then C and then the release. With Google's changes you will see nothing for a while and then all of a sudden see A, B, C and the v2 release all at once.
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Phone functionality is the least of my problems, I need an open source replacement for Android Auto / Apple CarPlay.
Not sure how that would work, you'd either have to emulate it to talk to the infotainment system, or get all the infotainment producers to add an open source layer... Sounds like a nightmare either way.
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Eventually I'll try one. I feel like it can be like desktop Linux where it take a very many many long years until it starts to chip away at single digit values of market share
It's worse. Linux desktop is only possible because of the relative consistency and openness of x86 PC hardware. Phones are nothing like that. At best we will have retro Linux handhelds with phone functionality.
There's x86 socs. You can buy a linux tablet right now.
Yes the HW isn't comparable to a modern phone though.
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It’s much less effort to have something based on Android open source project though.
It's also less interesting.
Using regular Linux means you can do a ton of stuff you currently can't on Android:
- plug in a USB hub and use it like a desktop - Steam Deck does this
- run regular desktop/server software - want a portable Minecraft server? Go for it!
- do things w/ btrfs snapshots so you can restore phone state if you mess something up (e.g. I accidentally uninstalled an app and lost settings)
- keep getting security updates long past when anyone in their right mind expects to get them
Android is already FOSS, and you can get phones with minimal stuff on top of the FOSS core. That's cool I guess, and I use one such distro (GrapheneOS), but it's still Android at the end of the day. I want something different, but I still want basic phone stuff to work (calls, SMS, MMS, camera, etc).
I think the problem is there’s just too much work that needs to be put in these things and people don’t really think about it. Android has at this point almost 2 decades of refining the experience for phones, so it’s a good starting point.
But the most important thing I guess is software. People often neglect how much time and effort is put to refine software to the point it becomes polished and bug free. Android has a mature stack to build apps that is very difficult to replicate.
But to be more clear I didn’t mean just getting a degoogled Android and settle with it. Android could also evolve in other ways that aren’t in Google’s interest, such as allowing you to have a sort of Dex that’s actually a Linux Desktop Environment.
The thing is, I don't really care about Android apps, and honestly supporting them probably adds a bunch of limitations since they have a lot of expectations on the system.
I just want an immutable base system w/ flatpaks, a basic dialer, a robust SMS/MMS app, Firefox, and good enough battery life (15 hours w/ moderate screen on time). Basically, openSUSE Aeon or Fedora Silverblue with phone-specific apps.
I'm happy to help port the various software I want to use, but I need the phone to work as a phone first.
Realistically, I would probably try a google free Android long before I'd try a more pure linux phone
Ive tried a couple of times, ended up bricking a phone and had to re-do another. Linux phones are hard to get set up (for certain models).
Can i play minecraft on it though? Ive got a horse ranch that I'd really like to continue
Java is inherently cross platform, and works well on linux. So assuming the phone is powerful enough, you should be good to go even if it's linux.
Definitely worth checking out Minetest/Luanti though, it has promise.
Absolutely! The controls might suck and regular phone features might be iffy, but you could totally run the Java version of Minecraft if you wanted. No guarantees about performance though.
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