this post was submitted on 05 Apr 2025
161 points (95.5% liked)

Programmer Humor

34838 readers
134 users here now

Post funny things about programming here! (Or just rant about your favourite programming language.)

Rules:

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They aren't the same thing so the comparison is weird.

endl has a flush which is important when doing something like embedded work or RTOS development. If i was doing multiple lines they all were \n until the last line when i actually want to push the buffer.

Obviously depending on the tuning of the compiler's optimization multiple flushes could be reduced but the goal should always be to write as optimal as possible.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

but the goal should always be to write as optimal as possible.

Within reason.

Over optimization is a curse on getting done.

[–] aport@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Who in the hell is using iostreams in an RTOS

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

Sometimes you work in a codebase that was decided on by others for reasons you don't know.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 1 day ago

Several. Probably dozens

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago

\n, because I ordered a newline, not a flush.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 45 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If I'm writing C++, I'm usually optimizing for portability over performance, in which case I would prefer std::endl as it would yield the best results regardless of platform; it also keeps the end-of-line character out of other strings, making code just a little cleaner.

\n is for when I'm done pretending that anything that isn't Unix-like is OK, or I'm counting the cycles of every branch instruction.

[–] barubary@infosec.exchange 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

std::endl provides zero portability benefits. C++ does have a portable newline abstraction, but it is called \n, not endl.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 48 points 3 days ago

Thank you two for demonstrating the image in the post so well.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, there's no guarantee that in every context \n is translated portably.

[–] barubary@infosec.exchange 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The same is true of std::endl. std::endl is simply defined as << '\n' << std::flush; nothing more, nothing less. In all cases where endl gives you a "properly translated" newline, so does \n.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ahhh, I see. Looks like the magic happens somewhere further down in iostream.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

It's controlled by whether the stream's opened in text mode or binary mode. On Unix, they're the same, but on Windows, text mode has line ending conversion.

[–] zenforyen@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah it's an artificial dichotomy based on a popular misconception of what std::endl is and how \n is interpreted.

Ultimately it does not ask about line endings, but about flushing, which is a completely orthogonal question.

[–] GideonBear@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

#define endl "\n"

[–] nope@jlai.lu 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Environment.NewLine might exist in C#

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

It might do. I encountered it last week as I needed it for a powershell script. So it exists in that at least

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)
[–] vapeloki@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (3 children)

std::endl is used in output streams in C++ to end the line, using the os specific line termination sequence, and flush the buffer.

The later one is a performance issue in many cases, why the use of "\n" is considered preferred

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Instead of this:

cout << "Hello world.\n";

You can do this:

cout << "Hello world." << endl;
[–] Daedskin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

The fact that you used the namespace for cout but not for endl inordinately bothers me

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] gon@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Alternatively:

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/io/manip/endl

p.s. The site isn't entirely mobile friendly

(I'm a cppref lover tbh)

[–] unlawfulbooger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Boy am I glad I don’t do C++ anymore. That string handling with the overloaded bitshift operator was wild.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] bramen49@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

Well, Java has System.lineSeparator so, maybe no?

[–] lengau@midwest.social 11 points 2 days ago

os.linesep

Lol jk none of my stuff runs on Windows anyway

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] tourist@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago
/* I'm new to this language so just imagine there is a new line here when it prints: */
[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] aport@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are you a modem by any chance?

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

No, I'm a teapot

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

Endl is faster to type

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] grandel@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

I like that you added the absolute namespace identifier or whatever its called

[–] dave@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago
[–] pewpew@feddit.it 5 points 2 days ago
[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago

Rebel side \0

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 5 points 3 days ago
load more comments
view more: next ›