If somehow you arent wisconcom, please for the love of god break this post up more it’s unreadable

Actually, you’re Aeon? Yeah critical did give out like 4 reasons for why you were a suspected wisconcom account. He’s not infallible, but ultimately you need to understand: lemmygrad is not that important. It’s a fun little place for us, and I won’t say it has no value, but it won’t play a major part in any kind of socialist revolution.

If you want to truly change the world, you have to help organize in person however you can, I struggle with mental health too so I get that it can be daunting, but even just going to one meeting a month would help more than any online praxis here

I would definitely expect Wisconcom to write this up, especially with this sense of grandiose typical of him

I would've been interested in hearing you out... if you formatted your texts.

Seriously, if you wish for people to hear you out online, please format your text properly. Use line breaks, spoiler tags to cover sections, etc. Make it less of a pain to read your defense.

You're not beating the wisconcom charges with this post.

It's not like it's worth caring about, he's entirely inconsequential.

You could've just made a new account and carried on posting without all this.

pinging @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml for clarification

Are you going to be replying to the people that don't agree with you? How do you want to be taken seriously when you come in with great claims of admin abuse and an emotional story and then reply to only 2 comments that (nominally) agree with you?

Since you allowed yourself to insult me and my character freely in your piece, you'll agree it's only fair I get to throw out my patience as well and say things like they really are.

You said in a reply as well as your original post that you understand lurkers can seem suspicious. Don't you think it's suspicious that you started posting on LG one day after RedArcher9 was approved on ProleWiki? And that your first actual post was asking for changes on ProleWiki which, by your admission, you know nothing about? What makes you qualified to talk on how Lemmygrad or ProleWiki should handle their processes and bans? (Maybe asking how editors are approved on ProleWiki would be a good, reasonable first step most people would think of first if they were being genuinely concerned). We've cultivated a culture of taking responsibility on Lemmygrad, maybe you haven't participated enough to know that yet. I've had people DM me before to say they agreed with their ban (usually on communities), that's how responsible we are here.

This is the post you made on People's Court, there's nothing "left" of it because nothing got deleted in it. You saw that for yourself when you made the archive link.

If you understand that then I don't know why you complain when you get banned. Once again, you can easily request a new account not tied to your previous identity and nobody would ever know. Not even the admins.

While I'm on the topic, Lemmygrad and PW are two completely independent projects. I don't understand how you could, in good faith, think Lemmygrad should have any say in how ProleWiki is run, if you've actually been lurking enough to get a sense of both communities. Do you DM Zuckerberg any time Facebook is down for a few minutes? Do you tag Musk on Twitter any time your tweets get deleted and ask to be made CEO? Get some perspective. There was a vandal, he got banned, what more could you reasonably want?

Regardless of being Wisconcom, if you don't want to be compared to a wrecker, then don't act like one. You had a lurker account that had only posted a few videos, do you sincerely think you were harmed in any way by this ban and accusation (that is still not off the table btw)? That's a genuine question. I can understand someone who's spent years on Lemmygrad -- but even they don't cry as hard when they get banned -- but you had like 5 videos posted across multiple communities. Your history can be rebuilt in 10 minutes.

Here's one way you could have brought this up: "Hi, when you accused me of being Wisconcom, it really hurt as he's a clown and I wouldn't want to be compared to him or anyone like him" and go from there.

Going the public route as the first step when it's free to DM me or any admin already irks me.

I don't even know what you want out of this. Do you want to get unbanned? Do you want to get me removed as an admin? Do you want an apology? Do you just want to complain? You don't say anywhere. How do you want a solution to be achieved if you don't tell us what that solution would be for you?

Also who takes archive pages of receipts to present them in this context? A context in which they're just venting and not looking for solutions. If we wanted to remove your entire presence from Lemmygrad, we'd have removed the People's Court post you made. Yet, it's still up. Your post here is also still up.

First of all, I don’t know how to go into the edit history, or even where to find this function. I knew it was Wisconcom because the profile (RedArcher9) had a picture with a quote of Enver Hoxha in the banner.

red archer never had any picture of Hoxha or any picture at all on their profile.

If you want to start throwing accusations back at least get your story in order, you look like a hypocrite.

If you’re going to be an administrator, we all expect you to be professional and thorough in carrying out your obligations. If you can’t handle the responsibility that goes with that, then let us know.

Who is "we" lol, you're the only one complaining about this. This is after you said I can't lump in everyone together lol

If you want us to get to know you, well, you've had your account for 5 months and decided to only post in the last week. Are we supposed to reach out to every lurker and pester them to post and start talking about our lives in DMs? That's what community posts are for. Post in them.

If you understand all of this then you understand why you look 99% like a wrecker right now; the only question left, since you like to compare things to the legal system, is mens rea.

The one thing I am thankful for in this whole case is that at least our community is not so easily fooled and ready to believe anything.

If I was in your situation I would just admit I was Wisconcom, whether it's true or not. Because if you're Wisconcom, then we'll just chalk it up to his usual antics and move on. If you're not, it means there's another weirdo weirdly obsessed with Lemmygrad and ProleWiki and I would personally prefer to save face on this one. But that's just me musing.

Not familiar with your situation, but you can always read the public modlog: https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog

The problem here is that you woke up a largely inactive account to try to question and shape the admin policies of ProleWiki, a site which has only a little overlap with ours, at a moment when the topic of Wisconcom's harrassment and infiltration attempts were at the forefront of our psyche. I am not sure what you expected would happen.

Contrary to what you believe admins are not necessarily thorough and definitely not professionals. We are volunteers. It is not a tough life by any means but we have to respond to spam, trolls posting intentionally obscene content, chuds and liberals leaking from federated instances and our own users fighting among themselves, all of which is topped by having to worry about a terminally online Hoxhaist stirring trouble. Most of the time we have to act on incomplete information and have to rely on our instincts. I am sure we get things wrong often.

Regarding your content, I hate to say this but while the videos seem good on a cursory glance, in the end they are youtube links that you posted within a span of one day. Moreover, you have a list of links to the videos you posted. If you feel like you are missing some links, let me know and I will get them for you. I don't understand why you are trying to make it sound like we razed the library of Alexandria.

I understand that being banned can be hurtful but it is small risk that comes with online interactions. Doubly so if you try to discuss administration policies without building any sort of a reputation. There are ways to interact with our website still including making a new account either here or on a federated instance. It seems like you are well aware of these.

Ok, so here's an update. (post is broken up into two parts because it's so long)

I was confused why it was taking so long to see a response from @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml, so I went digging for their profile.

Turns out they're actually banned from the instance I'm using here, lemmy.world. So their posts don't even show up from my side.

That being said, I apologize for the incredibly late response. I had to go and check lemmygrad.ml itself to see what had been said, so I'll do my best to respond going off that.

Are you going to be replying to the people that don’t agree with you? How do you want to be taken seriously when you come in with great claims of admin abuse and an emotional story and then reply to only 2 comments that (nominally) agree with you?

Since you allowed yourself to insult me and my character freely in your piece, you’ll agree it’s only fair I get to throw out my patience as well and say things like they really are.

Fully agree on this, yes.

You said in a reply as well as your original post that you understand lurkers can seem suspicious. Don’t you think it’s suspicious that you started posting on LG one day after RedArcher9 was approved on ProleWiki? And that your first actual post was asking for changes on ProleWiki which, by your admission, you know nothing about?

Yes, this I understand. It was incredibly bad timing and makes my case all the more difficult.

What makes you qualified to talk on how Lemmygrad or ProleWiki should handle their processes and bans? (Maybe asking how editors are approved on ProleWiki would be a good, reasonable first step most people would think of first if they were being genuinely concerned)

We’ve cultivated a culture of taking responsibility on Lemmygrad, maybe you haven’t participated enough to know that yet. I’ve had people DM me before to say they agreed with their ban (usually on communities), that’s how responsible we are here.

I think you're right about that. After all, I only started posting a few days ago and hadn't even gotten my feet wet.

This is the post you made on People’s Court, there’s nothing “left” of it because nothing got deleted in it. You saw that for yourself when you made the archive link.

Was referring to my comments in the chat breaking the context of some of the replies.

If you understand that then I don’t know why you complain when you get banned. Once again, you can easily request a new account not tied to your previous identity and nobody would ever know. Not even the admins.

While I’m on the topic, Lemmygrad and PW are two completely independent projects. I don’t understand how you could, in good faith, think Lemmygrad should have any say in how ProleWiki is run, if you’ve actually been lurking enough to get a sense of both communities. Do you DM Zuckerberg any time Facebook is down for a few minutes? Do you tag Musk on Twitter any time your tweets get deleted and ask to be made CEO? Get some perspective. There was a vandal, he got banned, what more could you reasonably want?

Regardless of being Wisconcom, if you don’t want to be compared to a wrecker, then don’t act like one. You had a lurker account that had only posted a few videos, do you sincerely think you were harmed in any way by this ban and accusation (that is still not off the table btw)? That’s a genuine question. I can understand someone who’s spent years on Lemmygrad – but even they don’t cry as hard when they get banned – but you had like 5 videos posted across multiple communities. Your history can be rebuilt in 10 minutes.

Here’s one way you could have brought this up: “Hi, when you accused me of being Wisconcom, it really hurt as he’s a clown and I wouldn’t want to be compared to him or anyone like him” and go from there. Going the public route as the first step when it’s free to DM me or any admin already irks me.

I don’t even know what you want out of this. Do you want to get unbanned? Do you want to get me removed as an admin? Do you want an apology? Do you just want to complain? You don’t say anywhere. How do you want a solution to be achieved if you don’t tell us what that solution would be for you?

Also who takes archive pages of receipts to present them in this context? A context in which they’re just venting and not looking for solutions. If we wanted to remove your entire presence from Lemmygrad, we’d have removed the People’s Court post you made. Yet, it’s still up. Your post here is also still up.

red archer never had any picture of Hoxha or any picture at all on their profile. If you want to start throwing accusations back at least get your story in order, you look like a hypocrite.

The URL here points to their ProleWiki account. The account they used on Lemmygrad @Rougeguard19232@lemmygrad.ml did indeed have a picture with a quote of Enver Hoxha in the banner.

Who is “we” lol, you’re the only one complaining about this. This is after you said I can’t lump in everyone together lol

It's true that I'm the only one who has come forward about this, yeah. But I really doubt I'm the only one who expects reasonable conduct as far as an investigation when a ban takes place.

If you want us to get to know you, well, you’ve had your account for 5 months and decided to only post in the last week. Are we supposed to reach out to every lurker and pester them to post and start talking about our lives in DMs? That’s what community posts are for. Post in them.

If you understand all of this then you understand why you look 99% like a wrecker right now; the only question left, since you like to compare things to the legal system, is mens rea.

The first part I can understand. The latter part I don't. Maybe you could help me with that?

The one thing I am thankful for in this whole case is that at least our community is not so easily fooled and ready to believe anything.

This is a positive. We've got grifters all over the place, and they love to cause trouble here.

If I was in your situation I would just admit I was Wisconcom, whether it’s true or not. Because if you’re Wisconcom, then we’ll just chalk it up to his usual antics and move on. If you’re not, it means there’s another weirdo weirdly obsessed with Lemmygrad and ProleWiki and I would personally prefer to save face on this one. But that’s just me musing.

Ok, so here's an update. (post is broken up into two parts because it's too long)

I was confused why it was taking so long to see a response from @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml, so I went digging for their profile.

Turns out they're actually banned from the instance I'm using here, lemmy.world. So their posts don't even show up from my side.

That being said, I apologize for the incredibly late response. I had to go and check lemmygrad.ml itself to see what had been said, so I'll do my best to respond going off that.

Are you going to be replying to the people that don’t agree with you? How do you want to be taken seriously when you come in with great claims of admin abuse and an emotional story and then reply to only 2 comments that (nominally) agree with you?

Since you allowed yourself to insult me and my character freely in your piece, you’ll agree it’s only fair I get to throw out my patience as well and say things like they really are.

Fully agree on this, yes.

You said in a reply as well as your original post that you understand lurkers can seem suspicious. Don’t you think it’s suspicious that you started posting on LG one day after RedArcher9 was approved on ProleWiki? And that your first actual post was asking for changes on ProleWiki which, by your admission, you know nothing about?

Yes, this I understand. It was incredibly bad timing and makes my case all the more difficult.

What makes you qualified to talk on how Lemmygrad or ProleWiki should handle their processes and bans? (Maybe asking how editors are approved on ProleWiki would be a good, reasonable first step most people would think of first if they were being genuinely concerned)

We’ve cultivated a culture of taking responsibility on Lemmygrad, maybe you haven’t participated enough to know that yet. I’ve had people DM me before to say they agreed with their ban (usually on communities), that’s how responsible we are here.

I think you're right about that. After all, I only started posting a few days ago and hadn't even gotten my feet wet.

This is the post you made on People’s Court, there’s nothing “left” of it because nothing got deleted in it. You saw that for yourself when you made the archive link.

Was referring to my comments in the chat breaking the context of some of the replies.

If you understand that then I don’t know why you complain when you get banned. Once again, you can easily request a new account not tied to your previous identity and nobody would ever know. Not even the admins.

While I’m on the topic, Lemmygrad and PW are two completely independent projects. I don’t understand how you could, in good faith, think Lemmygrad should have any say in how ProleWiki is run, if you’ve actually been lurking enough to get a sense of both communities. Do you DM Zuckerberg any time Facebook is down for a few minutes? Do you tag Musk on Twitter any time your tweets get deleted and ask to be made CEO? Get some perspective. There was a vandal, he got banned, what more could you reasonably want?

Regardless of being Wisconcom, if you don’t want to be compared to a wrecker, then don’t act like one. You had a lurker account that had only posted a few videos, do you sincerely think you were harmed in any way by this ban and accusation (that is still not off the table btw)? That’s a genuine question. I can understand someone who’s spent years on Lemmygrad – but even they don’t cry as hard when they get banned – but you had like 5 videos posted across multiple communities. Your history can be rebuilt in 10 minutes.