Can't expect a US vassal state to go against their bosses interests
this post was submitted on 10 Apr 2025
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The US prenteded to be Australia's ally and friend, China is just another country who happens to be a great customer and that should be recognised but that's about it.
I'd pivot away from the US and try and forge better and closer alliances (more like we have with NZ) with places, The EU, Canada, Japan for tradr and defence but theres no warm embrace with China.
As an Australian I've long been a Green voter and their policy has been arms length from the US (and China)
That the US treats us with disdain has been obvious for decades.
Former Australian here, long story short
In one hand Australia has sold off to China via raw resources, real state, education, etc. so they are quite dependant on them; but in the other hand, China has had no problem throwing its weight around using the above's fulcrums.
IMO trusting the chinese gov would be silly, as they lie, obsfucate, use and scheme against everyone; they are just another bully.
Trusting any foreign government is silly if it is about something where your and their interests don't align (or might diverge in the future), trusting any foreign government makes sense if it is about something where you are sure interests will stay aligned for the relevant time period. Governments are not people, you can't make friends with governments or trust them with matter 10 because matters 1-9 all worked out okay.
Have any of these countries tried being nice? I see a lot of sticks and no carrots.
They're all run by corporate sociopaths. You're never gonna see "nice" again from any of the plutocracy.
Read up on what China has been doing with green energy. Then Australia.
While I appreciate what China has been doing in the green energy sector, let's not pretend it's out of anything other than self preservation. They're just prescient enough to realise that they need to move away from fossil fuels to not destroy their own future.
Wish I could say the same for other Western democracies. We're too hellbent on maintaining materialistic consumerism to properly invest in our own future.
Besides that, one of their other major concerns is population, apparently they are trying to get a headstart on fixing it?
Smart decision. China has already made clear attempts to coerce Australia, not just economically1, but militarily as well 2, 3.
As grim as foreign relations look with the USA, it would be foolish to immediately run to China instead, because they clearly do not intend to have a symmetric relationship with any of their partners either.
That's a mistake in my opinion. We should all join hands, as a united block against these bullies.
Okay, let’s all join hands against China.
China has been putting up to 200% tariff on Australian products and resources for decades now to punish us every time we do anything critical of them or that they don’t like. They are our biggest bullies, without a doubt.
It's funny how black and white people think.
Like just because the US is becoming an authoritarian bully that just wipes out China having been an authoritarian bully for decades.
You just explained tankies.
The US has been a bully for at least a century too even if maybe a slightly less authoritarian one than China.