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Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by boramalper@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmuz3nr62k26

Email from Bluesky in the screenshot:

Hi there,

We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.

The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky's policies.

Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.

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[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Is Bluesky the next X ??? Kissing the ring of authoritarian leaders?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

they all exist in the same world and they will all need to figure out how to make money sooner or later

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 74 points 12 hours ago

And now you know why corporations and politicians don't use mastodon

[–] cotlovan@lemm.ee 74 points 15 hours ago

Wow, all the bsky lovers are now facing the reality. None of the corpos have user's interest in mind. They only care about numbers: number of active users' data that they can sell to the highest bidder.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 56 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

Fake Fediverse is fake.

Fuck Turkey and fuck however they want it spelt.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Re: "(...) fuck however they want it spelt."

As a Turkish person, I'm with you on this.

If the Turkish government wants you to refer to Turkey as Türkiye, then they shouldn't be allowed to call the US "Amerika Birleşik Devletleri": they should be required to pronounce it United States of America.

Let's see how they like it then, lol. "Yunayıted Sıtets af Amerika", hah.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It's also quite awkward requiring others to spell the country with letters that don't exist in most alphabets, and therefore not on commonly used keyboards.

Sure you can make use of ü and others with some international layouts, but for laypeople it's rather cumbersome.

Imagine China would suddenly require everyone spelling it as 中国， nobody would even be able pronounce it, let alone write.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 1 points 2 hours ago

Agreed.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 12 points 13 hours ago

The bird was named after the country. So if they want to be called Türkiye, that means we'll be having türkiye for Thanksgiving from now on.

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[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 57 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So. When ever I post my families genocide story as Armenians in The Ottoman empire. There’s always a Turk to call me a liar online. Then they get you banned from the sub because they have people injected into mod teams. Pretty disgusting experience. Also happened with Azerbaijani posters to. Interesting how deep they injected themselves in Reddit.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 29 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Watching how quickly all these companies crumble, it really is astonishing the Obama and Clinton didn't take on Fox News for all it's bullshit.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 15 points 13 hours ago

Corpos aren't afraid of the Democrats. They own them.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago

Empowered career democrats don't care. They are complicit with the schemes.

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[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 128 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Bluesky is a for-profit company that is capitalizing on the Xodus. They may be better for the time being, but the march for more and more profit will end the same as it always does. Enshittification. They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

I think you're overselling the Fediverse here. The Fediverse also absolutely has censorship, it's just by individual instance admins instead of a for-profit company. If large, influential instances shut down or defederate, a lot of content goes with it.

Yeah, federated instances technically cache that data, but those communities are effectively dead, links are broken, etc. Users can jump to other services, sure, but the service isn't the same.

We've seen this here on Lemmy. Beehaw was a cool instance, but they defederated fairly early on. Lemmy.ml was super impactful, but their admins are super aggressive with moderation to the point that many avoid their communities. And so on.

Whether "the Fediverse" is good depends on your instance and the mods and admins of the various communities you are part of. That kind of sucks.

Maybe it sucks less than whatever major social media network you're comparing to, but I hesitate to call it "good," just different.

[–] squozenode@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's always gonna be an admin of some kind unless we all run our own instances, but that ends up with everyone just in large echo chambers again, as they federate only with people they agree with, or to scream at people they don't.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

That's not necessarily true. Is there an admin of BitTorrent? Not really, people just contribute resources and the network keeps on trucking.

I'd like to see more exploration of P2P networks like BitTorrent. It should be that a single person leaving the network doesn't impact anyone, data just gets shuffled so it stays available. The tricky part is moderation, but surely that's a solvable problem.

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Well it is fundamentally better because it does not only have a single party that makes all the calls thanks to the real decentralization. I wouldn't call all of fediverse "the good guys" but I would call it "good".

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Sure. It's like comparing having one tyrant, which can be good or bad (but at least isn't going anywhere) vs a lot of tyrants whose power is limited to their little area, and who will come and go. I guess that's better, but I don't think anyone would say it's "good," just a bit better.

I like the Fediverse, I just think it only went halfway to solving the problem.

[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

For sure. Not that we don't have problems, but corporate overlords mining our data or censoring us for political back scratching aren't among them. That's all imma trying to say.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Nothing is really stopping them from mining your data on Lemmy, all they need is to create an instance and federate, and then get can hoover up whatever they want.

Censorship is more difficult, sure. But we're still subject to whatever arbitrary censorship the mods and admins want.

I think the Fediverse is on net better, but I do think the model has many other problems, and that it's more of a stepping stone to something better. But being "better" doesn't mean we're "good" and the other options are "bad," it just means we make different tradeoffs. There's a very real risk of large instances shutting down because the admins lost interest, for example, and that's less of a concern for a for-profit operation.

I guess my point is to not oversell the Fediverse. It's cool, hence why I'm here, but it's far from perfect.

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[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 16 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Can Turkey ask for any account/post to be banned regardless of where a post was written? For example, if I were to register there and called Erdogan a dictator who suppresses the Turks by breaking down the media and justice system and he is taking political prisoners; could he then ask BlueSky to get my account removed because i'm breaking a law in Turkey even though I am not in Turkey? That sounds totally crazy. Like from now on you can make laws on your citizens, your lands and all of the internet? What the fu. e: typo

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Related to this, there's a Google translate button at the top that reads, in Turkish, "translate to Turkish"

Which could be evidence that the screenshot comes from somebody who speaks Turkish, which increases the chances that the person receiving the email is in Turkey.

That doesn't answer your question, but it suggests that Bluesky may only be honoring requests regarding accounts they believe are subject to the local laws.

Two very important points:

This is proof of nothing
I personally will continue to use Mastodon instead of Bluesky

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[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 70 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

Don't replace X with Bluesky! Go to Mastodon and other Federalised platforms. That is the only way to escape corporate-sponsored fascism.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

No offense but I think your effort is wasted on the people (already) here.

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[–] PumpUpTheJam@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

But I don't want to sit alone in a room.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure if you were joking but Mastodon has substantially more users than Lemmy.

Averaging 1 million users/month versus Lemmy's 50k.

[–] JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, I feel like I struggle to find relevant content more on Mastodon than on Lemmy. Maybe I just still don't know how to Mastodon.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

It's not just you, there's been a lot of threads on let me talking about it but the problem with Mastodon is the fact that there is no content recommendation algorithm. You basically just get shown stuff from your local instance and maybe stuff it's Federated with. Which is pretty much guaranteed to be a bunch of useless garbage nobody is interested in and random cat pictures.

Bluesky is not perfect, but it's better than X and i can actually find content i want. I've tried so many times to Mastodon and it's just not worth it. Finding content is a huge effort and i don't want to put that effort in.

Blue Sky learned very quickly that I'm interested in artists content and now when I open it I find at least one new artist to follow each day so I can just open it scroll through the people I'm following look at the Discover tab to find a new one whose art I like and feel better that's just not going to happen on Mastodon

[–] bndkt@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Totally agree. I like the Fediverse (that’s why I’m here), but it is just too hard to find interesting content on mastodon. This way it will never attract a large crowd.

[–] XPost3000@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago

Very much same

I feel like this is probably the biggest problem with mastodon after the on-boarding. Not only does someone actually need to understand instances and put in more effort to sign up, when they do there's like absolutely no good way to find new stuff, it's all just basically random

I understand the "no algorithm" stance on things but jesus would it be too much to let me sort by top of the day? I want to see what people are talking about, what's going on, not just what ever happened to be posted in the latest minute.

This is a problem I have with a bunch of other fediverse app (Pixelfed & Loops primarily) and it seriously bothers me that there isn't any real option to sort anything except reverse chronologically, and the ability to do so is the only reason I keep coming back to Lemmy over all of the rest of fediverse fr

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Same experience

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What the fuck? Is bsky hosted there? Why do they fucking care?

[–] 73ms@sopuli.xyz 2 points 9 hours ago

Because they're focused on just user numbers probably and many people from Turkey recently moved there. This decision might of course cause a decline anyway.

[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 154 points 23 hours ago (31 children)

Funny as I got downvoted to oblivion for saying Bluesky was not really decentralized.

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