Meet your immigrant neighbors, they're hitting them first. Help them organize and arm themselves. When the gestapo comes...fight.
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Over the past 3 months, i have disributed over 1500 red cards. los tarjetas rojas. They explain immigrant rights and what to do if ice shows up. https://www.ilrc.org/red-cards-tarjetas-rojas
In a normal world, thats enough to help protect them. Its a little step i know, but its something i could do to help.
Now it is a lie and i mislead my neighbors and friends. They are not safe.
Next step?
Go back. Amend your card with new accurate information. Distribute it. Offer to help yet again with whatever they need.. Eat your pride and tell them you were wrong. Show them you mean it and protect yourself from the gestapo because you are now a target as well. Suggest they arm themselves and fight back and the reasons why so they can make an informed choice on how they personally wish to protect themselves now that they have this new information.
People are good. They will see you are trying your best with what you have. You are doing good too. Don't be discouraged. This is the most positive thing I have heard from an American in days even though you feel defeated. Give em hell!
I think you dont understand. To rewrite that card would be a big red buisiness card that says "you are fucked".
Thats it.
Arm yourselves and the people being hunted? Are you fucking kidding? Thats literal ammunition to the opposition. If you had your way, a bunch of illegal immigrants now are using illegal guns to shoot americans.
Your advice legitimizes the "invasion" of the other. It does the opposite of what you want. Your solution galvanizes the right to point and say "see, they are all murderous criminals" get them.
For fucks sake think for a moment. This is the absolute dumbest take ive ever seen.
You are ruled by a dictator. You have not done anything to change that. These people have a right as humans to defend themselves against the tyranny they face. Just like I as a Canadian have a right to defend my country against the repeated threats of annexation from your regime.
Fuck you for taking their choice away. You have no right. You have done nothing for them as a nation or a people and now you have enshrined a dictator that is shipping them off to death camps. You'd like them to just lie down and take your bullshit cause they're sub human or foreigners, perhaps you use the term illegals? Put your life on the line for them non violently then with all your talk. Go hang in the communities affected and stop the kidnappings with your signs and cards.
All talk no action down there. A nation of defeatists whining about how terrible people are treated in their communities from the fucking couch.
I get the distinct impression that you handed these cards out on a street corner and under wiper blades and never actually spoke to any of those people or you would actually care. Not movie star "care'. You had me going there for a minute. I honestly thought you gave a shit.
Look, you're just flat out wrong here. This isn't the movies. What do you think's gonna happen? They come in, see that the guy is strapped, and say "aw, shucks!" and move on to the next house? Oh fucking no. At best, they're going to come back with enough backup, weapons, and armor to make a Call of Duty game look like a snowball fight. At worst, they're going to riddle your house with about 975 bullets and then remove the splattermark that used to be you off the wall with a squeegee. There are exactly zero situations where arming yourself is going to protect you from ICE agents while remaining alive and safe in your home.
I don't claim to have any of the answers and I'll fully admit that even my own opinion offers little to help. Something has to be done. What that is, I have no idea. How to get there? Also, no idea. But something is going to end up having to be done because the current situation is not sustainable.
Podunk is on the right path that some kind of organization is going to have to take place. People can't be expected to shack up in their homes forever, fearful of stepping outside because their skin is a little too brown and fearing that the next knock on the door is going to be half a dozen masked ICE agents offering them an involuntary tropical vacation. All that leads to is fear, paranoia, distrust, and despair and that helps nobody. What kind of organization that is that would actually be helpful and effective, I don't know.
But what Podunk said would happen is exactly what will happen if immigrants start taking your advice. Despite the US's lax gun control legislation, it's still nigh-on impossible for someone here illegally to get a gun. And if they're found with a gun, they're suddenly subject to the very same charges that would warrant legitimate deportation that they're trying to avoid. They would be validating the Trump narrative that illegals are armed and will shoot to kill. It wouldn't lead to masked ICE agents no longer trying to round up brown people. It would lead to masked ICE agents with AK-47s and body armor rounding up whatever brown people don't die in the process. It wouldn't lead to less ICE agents knocking on your door to pull you out. It would lead to more ICE agents bashing down your door at 3 in the morning when you're sleeping and just rounding up everybody in the house, probably unloading a clip into anyone who happened to be snoring too loud.
Again, this isn't the movies. You're not a one-man army. ICE agents aren't going to say "aw shucks" and give up just because you've got a gun. They've got more than you do, and there's a lot more of them.
I also don't know exactly what the next step is.
Obviously, protesting and civil disobedience.
Looking at historical precedents, I also think targeted sabotage should be part of it. Nothing like the Reichstag fire or the assassination of Ernst vom Rath that would fuel a civil war.
In WW2, our resistance performed targeted sabotage on (for example) rail lines, pipelines and electrical networks that did not hurt anyone, but which did weaken the German war effort.
One big disadvantage compared to WW2 is the massive surveillance state.
During slavery there was also the underground railroad. I would definitely set up a system like that to bring targeted activists to Canada. You really don't want to lose your intelligentsia. Let them provide resistance from Canada.
I hope others have better ideas on effective tactics though.
Take out the cameras obvs
The judge literally said they didn't have the authority to release him:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-born-citizen-detained-ice-immigration-florida-rcna201800
"After inspecting his birth certificate, Leon County Judge LaShawn Riggans said during the hearing that “this is indeed an authentic document,” but that she did not have jurisdiction beyond finding no probable cause for the charge."
To which I'd think the correct reply should have been "If you don't have the authority to release him, then what's your authority to detain him?"
Nobody bothered asking that question. "He's a US Citizen, here's his birth certificate, by what authority are you detaining him?"
The issue is that it was a county judge. A county judge doesn't have the authority to overrule ICE even when they are illegally detaining a US citizen under a law that has already been blocked by another judge. Who knew?
ICE was requesting the judge detain him, which was apparently beyond their authority. The correct answer would have been to tell ICE "I'm sorry, we don't have the authority to do that."
It was ICE detaining him not the judge. The authority for ICE to detain him over rode the judges ability to release him
ICE was requesting the judge detain him, which was apparently beyond their authority. The correct answer would have been to tell ICE "I'm sorry, we don't have the authority to do that."
They're gonna do this en masse right before the next election. Before it's over, we'll see ICE kidnapping people who are in line to vote. After all, they can clear up any "mistakes" after they've prevented people from voting.
Sounds like there's going to be a lot of bodies in line (and on the ground) during voting.
We're so fucked
Arm yourselves.
And for the love of god, train. Get classes if you can.
And trauma kits. Lots of trauma kits and trauma first aid training.
I agree this is total fuckery, but at least the dude was released hours later.
Says they can hold for 48 hours for DHS to take them into custody. He was released Thursday evening but I dont see when he was arrested. If it was Tuesday evening then the only reason he was released was because DHS didn’t take him into custody which implies they realized they couldn’t and didn’t even attempt to get him released sooner or punishing him with a 48 hour imprisonment was the whole point. What’s to stop them from imprisoning any citizen for 2 days for whatever reason.
You're not wrong, but in this specific case he was in ICE custody for less than 12 hours.
We’re so lucky that guy in El Salvador isn’t dead. I’d expect a response of riots, and an armed, violent response to any ICE activity, since getting nabbed by them is a high likelihood of death even if innocent and legal.
What did the last round of riots get you?
Oh Judge Riggans, you ain't white either. You think you're safe but you're far from it.