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giving birth in a hospital costs $10k, after insurance payback?

Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.

It's the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they're always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it's much cheaper tend to think it's like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc.. It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.

I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.

Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.

Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney

but when you look through maga glasses, that's what you see when a black single mom of 2 receives a wic voucher for a couple gallons of milk.

I worked both Brinks type security and for Chase, so the inside and outside. That's not a million. It's probably somewhere between a quarter and a half, but the picture doesn't make it super easy to tell.

Your point is very valid however, they used a deceiving picture on purpose.

Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor...oh wait.

Mmm yes, Borrasca.

One of those are more likely than the others. It's the last one.

And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.

I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.

This is literally going to be an argument if people start proposing free daycare/child care :/

No matter the state of the economy, if you look at birthrate stats in various countries, it goes down with women rights and access to contraception. People just don't want kids.

You're right, when they have the choice, which is also why the Reich Wing wants to limit abortion and contraception and LGBT+ (non-accidentally-reproductive) relationships.

It was done in Australia quite a few years back and widely mocked. There was a bit of a bump in "XBox babies", but it was mostly from the kind of people who don't understand that a one-off cash bonus spent on a bigger TV doesn't cover the costs of raising a kid.

That is Trump's demographic, but he's being very optimistic if he thinks these kids will be going to the polls while he's still alive.

put into an index fund over the last seventeen years, that $5k is now $30k. it was not a terrible idea.

Idk, it seems like US doesn't even have the basic shit going on, any of that is a good news.

Additionally, government supplemented/paid for day care is the only way to pay the teachers fairly. Given places often aim for 4 students:1 teacher, you already have a hard cap of 4*monthly fees for salary for that one teacher. I pay 1.2k/ month, so a teacher can get a max of 4.8k/month if EVERYTHING went to them, which we all know it doesn't due to taxes, administrative staff, utilities, facility fees, etc.

However, if they raise fees, they price people out of a much-needed service at a time when folks typically haven't reached their max earning potential yet.

Sounds like classic Conservative projection.

Which is hilarious because iirc it was a fucking Howard policy

As someone who lives in a country where giving birth is free that sounds absolutely insane to me. Are these birth costs in the US at least covered by common medical insurance or is it always that bad? It's a miracle that the US birth rate is one of the highest in the western world when the conditions are like this...

Yeah, clearly an embryo/fetus is a child with rights at the moment of conception (/s), so why wait until after delivery?