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Hi folks. So, I know due to a myriad of reasons I should not allow Jellyfin access to the open internet. However, in trying to switch family over from Plex, I'll need something that "just works".

How are people solving this problem? I've thought about a few solutions, like whitelisting ips (which can change of course), or setting up VPN or tail scale (but then that is more work than they will be willing to do on their side). I can even add some level of auth into my reverse proxy, but that would break Jellyfin clients.

Wondering what others have thought about for this problem

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Oof, a lot of vitriol in this thread.

In the end, security is less about tooling and config, and more about understanding the risks and acting accordingly.

I expose jellyfin to the internet, but only to a specific public IP. That reduced my risk considerably.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I have it as an unprivileged container behind a reverse proxy and HTTPS/HSTS. I know it's not perfect but I keep backups of important shit and monitor things regularly.

I agree that Jellyfin needs to improve its API security, though. Their excuse that "it would break clients on old APIs" is moot when C# comes with API versioning features out of the box.

[–] skoell13@feddit.org 8 points 9 hours ago

I use a VPS and a Wiregusrd tunnel together with geoblocking and fail2ban. I've written my setup down, maybe this will help you https://codeberg.org/skjalli/jellyfin-vps-setup

[–] Getting6409@lemm.ee 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I expose jellyfin to the internet, and some precautions I have taken that I don't see mentioned in these answers are: 1) run jellyfin as a rootless container, and 2) use read-only storage where ever possible. If you have other tools managing things like subtitles and metadata files before jellyfin there's no reason for jellyfin to have write access to the media it hosts. While this doesn't directly address the documented security flaws with jellyfin, you may as well treat it like a diseased plague rat if you're going to expose it. To me, that means worst case scenario is the thing is breached and the only thing for an attacker to do is exfiltrate things limited to jellyfin.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Netbird/Tailscale

You also could use Wireguard as it is a p2p protocol by default.

If you have IPv6 access you could put in on a IPv6 address

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

You can share jellyfin over the net.

The security issues that tend to be quoted are less important than some people claim them to be.

For instance the unauthorized streaming bug, often quoted as one of the worst jellyfin security issues, in order to work the attacker need to know the exact id of the item they want to stream, which is virtually impossible unless they are or have been an authorized client at some point.

Just set it up with the typical bruteforce protections and you'll be fine.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 8 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

It's not impossible, Far from it. The ids are not random uuids but hashes derived from the path. Since most people have a similar setup to organize their media, this gets trivial very fast

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Fine is a relative term

You probably are fine but the company who is getting attacked by your compromised machine isn't

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think jellyfin vulnerabilities could lead to a zombified machine. At least I've not read about something like that happening.

Most Jellyfin issues I know are related to unauthorized API calls of the backend.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

I think it is a matter of time honestly.

Jellyfin has grown enough in popularity that it is likely a target for a state actor looking to create some minions. Just because there isn't any known remote code execution vulnerabilities doesn't mean there couldn't be one in the future.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but it seems way safer to just not expose Jellyfin.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This. Just setup fail2ban or similar in front of Jellyfin and you'll be fine.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 22 points 1 day ago (10 children)

You can share jellyfin on the net. I do.

The issues shared wide and large are mostly moot points, where the attacker needs to already have access to the jellyfin itself to have any surface.

Its FUD and I am convinced spread by Plex people in an effort to cover up their fuckup and enshittyfication.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

That's a bad idea for so many reasons

The internet is full of bots pounding at your machines to get in. It is only a matter of time until the breach Jellyfin. At the very least you want a reverse proxy with proper security.

I don't see why you would put something like Jellyfin in the internet. Use a VPN solution.

[–] dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The internet is full of bots pounding at your machines to get in. It is only a matter of time until the breach Jellyfin.

If you are talking about brute force attacks for your password, then use a good password.. and something like fail2ban to block ips that are spamming you.

This point doesn't exactly match, but: public services like google auth don't require users use vpns. They have a lot more money to keep stuff secure, but you may see my point.. auth isn't too trivial of a feature to keep secure nowadays. They implement similar protections, something to block spammers and make users have good passwords (if you dont use a good password, you are still vulnerable on any service).

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

The password is totally irrelevant for the most part. The worst case is that they get access to the dashboard

The problem is when major security vulnerabilities are found like remote code execution

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have had jellyfin exposed to the net for multiple years now.

Countless bots probing everyday, some banned by my security measures some don't. There have never been a breach. Not even close.

To begin with, of you look at what this bots are doing most of them try to target vulnerabilities from older software. I have never even seen a bot targeting jellyfin at all. It's vulnerabilities are not worth attacking, too complex to get it right and very little reward as what can mostly be done is to stream some content or messing around with someo database. No monetary gain. AFAIK there's not a jellyfin vulnerability that would allow running anything on the host. Most vulnerabilities are related to unauthorized actions of the jellyfin API.

Most bots, if not all, target other systems, mostly in search of outdated software with very bad vulnerabilities where they could really get some profit.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Your IP address is what they are after

They quietly compromise your system and then your IP gets used as a proxy for attacks against larger targets like government institutions.

How would you know that you were compromised?

I know this sounds far fetched but if you remember there was a Lastpass breach due to Plex. You need to very careful with the public internet.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 18 hours ago

I love Jellyfin and use it. I also think the security issues are very serious and it's irresponsible to not fix them. At the very least they can make a new API and give users the option to enable or disable the insecure one until clients get updated. But they don't.

I've decided to remove public access to my Jellyfin server until it's resolved, though it's still accessible behind my VPN.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 1 points 16 hours ago

I also think Plex probably has open vulns and it's also a more known target. The nail that sticks out furthest gets nailed down.

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[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (7 children)

When I did this I set up a VPN on my network and forced anyone that wanted to use it to get on my network.

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