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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago

Police better keep an eye on mom and any other siblings, as bad decisions clearly run in that family…

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Our fucking country, where the life of a car is worth more than the life of a human. ACAB.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Huh? The kid stole a car and was fleeing and armed with a loaded gun.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Fleeing seems like the operative word in that sentence to me.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 minutes ago

For clarities sake, there is body cam footage where it alleges he points the gun at the officer while fleeing.

Now I haven’t seen the footage that corroborates this and the footage I did see doesn’t back this statement up (nor does it exclude it, it’s from the POV of another officer)

However the dad apparently left viewing the body cam footage with their lawyer and then went and did this.

I’d expect the body cam footage to show anyone who isn’t a cop that he was running and had a gun in his possession and it likely doesn’t matter from the perspective of the cops if it was actually pointed at him or not.

Basically my bet is the body cam footage corroborates whichever side of the story your want it to.

The outcome of guns is shots fired and folks dead, unfortunately.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 158 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the kind of thing people do when they fully believe that there is no path to justice. If we ever held cops accountable, this wouldn't have happened.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 19 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don't seem to be reading the article.

Two key facts:

  • It's reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).

  • The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You're saying key facts, but there's no proof at this time that he was aiming a gun at the cops. The article makes that very clear. That has not been established at all. There's nothing that proves he even had a weapon. That's a claim the police made. But has not been proven. You should never ever take police statements as fact. Particularly when they so obviously have motive not to be truthful.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 minutes ago

There is body cam footage of the event.

The family has already reviewed it.

There’s been no statement that he wasn’t carrying a gun from the family.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The second point, I don't really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you're responsible for your "brothers" dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno. I'm American, and I sure don't want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago

I don't want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It'll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.

However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They're choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I'm sure they'd fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that's fine. They need to learn they can't do what they're doing, and they aren't going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn't handling it.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 17 points 18 hours ago

key facts:

"reported that" "may have"

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 37 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Key "facts" about your "key facts":

The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering "He's got a gun!" He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.

The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.

This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

Key fact: the family has not claimed that he wasn’t carrying a gun, and has viewed the body cam footage.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 1 points 13 minutes ago
[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 33 points 23 hours ago

I really don't think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.

[–] Trabic@lemm.ee 30 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

"Things police claim" =|= "Facts"

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

In fact, more often than not, things cops claim are lies. Because they are trained to lie about everything.

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 9 points 20 hours ago

You think you're being reasonable, but you've got rose tinted glasses on

[–] Darleys_Brew@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago

Coppers should be taught de-escalation, but rarely are, especially in the USA based on what I see.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apparently qualified immunity doesn't make you immune to bumpers.

[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Make cops ground beef again

[–] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Wouldn't they be ground pork?

[–] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 142 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

“Let me be very direct: We cannot allow individuals to flee from officers with a loaded firearm aimed at them,” she said. “When this happens, the outcome is almost always tragic. No one wins, and everyone involved is affected.”

Absolutely disgusting mindset for the police to operate in and it should be a condemnation of them, not an excuse for killing a fleeing person merely suspected of committing a property crime.

Armed gang murders member of the public (with the full intention of “investigating” themselves and finding they did nothing wrong), is shocked that public would kill one of their own, and expects the public to shed tears for their fellow gang member (who was really a great guy… every other gang member loved him).

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (9 children)

so the kid, unarmed, was shot in the back because he didn't submit?

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[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 30 points 1 day ago

Cops who shoot people who aren’t shooting at them and who haven’t been involved in a violent crime deserve to die too.

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (24 children)

This was a very confusing headline. It sounded like they were charging a dead person.

Bottom line is:

  1. 18 year old gets shot by police
  2. The father of the 18 year old hit and killed a deputy with his car later on.
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[–] GenerationII@lemm.ee 46 points 1 day ago

Hey, that cop just became a good cop.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The guy should get off scott free due to Qualified Immunity. Just like the cops.

[–] Davin@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cop was armed and was already known to shoot someone in the back, the father was afraid for his life and had to make a split second decision.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

That cop was no angel

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 45 points 1 day ago
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