My take remains the same, the current way in which capitalists will use AI is bad. But there doesn't seem to be a solution that doesn't just end up on a slippery slope and it still doesn't address the elephant in the room which is how do you actually enforce this.

Society would have to around and see AI art as reprehensible as child porn, so that not only you can get a broad international legislative consensus against it, but also be able to mark sure capitalists enforce this legislation.

So will we get the same consensus with AI tools? Its a rhetorical question isn't it? We can't get people organized to do any meaningful climate change praxis and that is an existential threat.

We only have one recent example of something becoming socially taboo in a short amount of time and it was NFTs. If you can convince the entire art community to organize and oppose AI art then maybe AI art could end up just like NFTs. Actual professionals and people involved in the community are the ones that should be convinced to be against it. Wasting time arguing with with the average person wont change anything if half the art community is split on the issue.

I don't really what problem this solves other than the ability to sell you more slop and create the advertisements more slop. From what I have seen, there is no guarantee for correctness on technical matters. It's doesn't feed or clothes people. So I kind of always feel odd when people say it's un Marxist to be against AI Art or Chat GPT.

I think I'll take a break from this one, after some parting thoughts.

I don't believe in a "soul" or any particularly special cosmic importance assigned to human beings or any particular divine presence that assigns such importance to human beings. That said, crude reductionism plays into the hands of the ruling class and is far more often used to degrade and denigrate "the other" than it ever actually meaningfully challenges the arrogance and the abuses of the ruling class. Look at how many of them (and their enabling minions) see the rest of us as "NPCs" or even "husks" to borrow a term from the "Effective Altruist" eugenicists discussed here a few days ago.

If we're all supposed to call our individual consciousness "an illusion" on some deterministic grounds and then stretch that stance further to state that we can (and by implication, should) be easily replaced with chat programs and the like, why fight the ruling class at all? Why not just let the superficially more efficient computers do their thing, let the the owners of such computers, simply "stochastic parrots" like the rest of us even if they clearly get a lot more power and privilege with their own "parroting," rake in those profits at all our expense? Why don't we just let them do as they please and instead lay down and die because we have no more right to exist than the machines that the ruling class owns for purposes of replacing us, one purpose at a time? It all doesn't matter how we suffer because our lived experiences are all just an illusion, right? :galaxy-brain:

If and when society is improved somewhat and suffering is reduced, I'll be more open to discussions of how we're all "meat computers" in "meatspace" and what meaningful consequences (if any, really) that such reductionism entails for how we should think about ourselves and each other. Until then, it's just another kind of alienation and insulation, a privileged position to see others suffering and adhere to crude and nihilistic yet ironically lofty perspectives on the human condition that usually further demoralize the proletariat instead of motivating them to fight back and, materialistically, do fucking nothing to improve their material conditions.

That's why so many right-wing techbros like to talk about "meatspace" and "meat computers," I argue. The perspective does not threaten their power and in their interpretation actually strengthens their grip.

Parting thoughts over.

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Marxists: Capitalist technological creation and fixed capital accumulation and automation will lead to mounting contradictions and be the eventual base of a fully automated socialist society

Also Marxists: No, don't create automation don't accumulate fixed capital or advance technology. Let's remain stagnant in 20th century technology forever