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The West was moving to the right — and then Donald Trump got elected again

Something is happening among America's allies, and it's a tremendous relief. For some years now, we've seen the MAGA-infused global right gaining a foothold amongst western democracies, largely driven by the same demagogic, nationalist, pseudo-populism that has fueled Donald Trump's dominance on the American right.

Some countries like Hungary have served as a sort of experiment for the kind of post-democratic autocracies dreamt of by the modern right wing in which government co-opts, intimidates and de-legitimizes the political opposition to create an authoritarianism that dominates the culture and the politics without a lot of overt violence.

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 53 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

As long as neoliberals are the only alternative, fascism will always come back.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You mean modern liberals? Neoliberalism is about as far-right as fascism.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Please explain how neoliberalism is as far-right as fascism.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

No one is saying neoliberalism is as far right as fascism. However fascism has a cloak of populism that it can hide under that neoliberalism can never do because they are tied to corporate interests in varying degrees. As such, a lot of working class people gravitate towards fascists who pay lip service to working class struggles.

At the end of the day, both neoliberals and fascists benefit from an undereducated and overworked population. That is why we need true alternatives that support the working class

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

At the end of the day, both neoliberals and fascists benefit from an undereducated and overworked population. That is why we need true alternatives that support the working class

Pretty much what I was referring to. I think the difference is a matter of motivation. Fascists want power and complete control, neoliberals don't, but either one would applaude streets paved with dead bodies if it lowered costs by 10%.

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[–] ButteryNickel@lemmy.wtf 60 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Better late than never I suppose. Congrats everyone else.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 37 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I'll take it. Really. It sucks for us. But if this is what it takes to get everyone else to kick this bullshit ass ideology and actually get on with progress over stagnation let's fucking go.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Agree. Let's take the hit and move towards getting off this fucking planet.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 15 hours ago

Take the hit and learn the lessons. And fix this planet.

[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 20 hours ago

One can hope, but each time I get optimistic, some crazy bullshit goes down.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's not Trumpism, it's fascism.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

😂

Those things are, in fact, equivalent.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 11 points 20 hours ago

Squares are to rectangles as Trumpism is to fascism.

[–] Binky@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 18 hours ago

I sure hope this is right…

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 17 hours ago
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Salon, huffpo, msnbc ffs. These are the hopium sites favored by the beaten left, because actual corporate journalism collapsed under it’s own ignorance and greed a long time ago.

The NYT will trot out a hopium piece every once in awhile like rainbow-flagging-the-logo for Pride month, but it’s all clickbait.

Who are you going to vote for in the midterms? The left needs to get its shit together. Propaganda, corruption, and blatant lies are kicking our ass.

[–] aubertlone@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

Copium is my preferred term.

The more cynical cousin of hopium.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is that we don't have a left party; the closest are the Democrats and they're Republicans in all but name.

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[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

But the rise of the far right among the Western allies seems to be stalling out.

Sorry, wut??

Can't imagine what in the screaming goat fuck would lead you to this conclusion other than pure blind idiocy...

🤷‍♂️ 🤡 🖕

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You have to wonder what infects the minds of people such that they fall for this in other countries.

I have a good idea what does it here.

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Can we sequester him? In the dirt, please?

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 22 hours ago

The Australian election is a perfect example of people voting against something. It's not that Labor were particularly palatable (I personally voted for the Greens), but the alternate of Temu Trump was more than most people could countenance

The nation collectively voted for the lesser evil

I'm hugely relieved, but the most interesting thing is the vote from the younger cohort who have aged a bit. It's not news to anyone who pays attention to politics, but they usual shift rightward with age isn't happening to the same degree

[–] Kyrrrr@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 21 hours ago

Headlines like this are for protecting the oligarchy. We all get involved until our lawmakers aren't old rich people. We pass laws that require oversight and transparency. We protect those institutions and laws that serve democracy with our lives.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago

I can't assuredly say we have beat conservative populism yet, but we are at least bringing competence to government.

The issue we haven't solved is that many young people now are coming of age upon a platter of socially engineered falsehood.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't give Trump the credit for this. Yeah he is a great example of how bad it can get but the move to the left has been long on its way and picking up speednfornsome time! Trump may have boosted a snowball that was already rolling

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Except it's really not a move to the left, it's just a slight slowing down of the move to the right. Fascism is currently gaining footholds in much of the western world.

So, while the handful of left victories are great, it's super dangerous to frame them as a reversal of fascism.

[–] Gregg@lemm.ee 4 points 22 hours ago

But is it really?

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 2 points 22 hours ago

That might be the silver lining to all this

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 23 hours ago

Looks like I'm gonna have to buy another newspaper tomorrow.

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