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submitted 1 year ago by 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world to c/startrek@startrek.website

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Your opinions will never be removed from the community. Even if you say you don’t like a particular series, character, writer or producer.

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[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 35 points 1 year ago

Well, I have to give the OP credit for outrageous audacity.

Coming to the main community on the dedicated Star Trek instance to argue that users should subscribe elsewhere is inherently a criticism. It says a lot about the tolerance of the mods and admins here that it’s been left to stand.

I myself appreciate a well moderated community because I believe it enables more discussion not less.

[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

This post implies that there is something wrong with this community, which in itself is the people in it, which I guess includes me.

Do you have a reference to comments having been removed? I'm on mobile and can't see the modlog.

Personally I'd prefer to be on the main community than splintered on one that was likely made by someone who wanted their own mod authority.

[–] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are the same mods from Reddit which are well know for their intolerance to criticism.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Source? I've left many critical reviews there. Do you mean they dont allow rants? Because im ok with that

[+] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There’s nothing wrong with the community. The mods however are the same mods from Reddit that banned me for saying that Star Trek Discovery is lower rated on Rotten Tomatoes than any of the series pre-2005. This was labelled as misleading and not constructive to a conversation about the rating various series have from users. When I sent a link with proof confirming my claim I was permanently banned.

I have more examples like people being banned for having the opinion that Kurtzman is the worst thing to happen to Star Trek but suffice to say the mods are the problem and 99% of the community are good people that are willing to accept criticism.

My community isn’t for my “mod authority” it is so people have a place to openly voice their opinions, likes, dislikes and above all criticism without the possibility of being banned because I don’t agree with them.

If someone thinks Discovery is peak Star Trek that’s great, I’m glad they enjoy that much. But also if someone thinks Discovery is the worst thing on TV then that is a perfectly valid opinion too and they should have a place to voice that opinion freely.

Also I’m not sure what you use to access Lemmy but if you use the website via a browser on mobile you can see the mod log. Some removals are justified but others like this one: “The part of confessing feelings was really badly done. It seems like no one in the writer's room had a better idea at that point and then they ran out of time.” was removed 5 hours ago for “Not Constructive.”

It’s the person’s opinion, a valid opinion too that shouldn’t be removed because the mods don’t agree.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your opinions will never be removed from the community.

So, if someone was to make the claim that in the episode “Patterns of Force”, John Gill was objectively right to introduce the planet Ekos to the fascist thought modelled on Nazi Germany because National Socialism is, as he theorized, the most efficient form of government, and the fact that the Zeons ended up persecuted and were to be victims of genocide is not only acceptable, but right and good considering who they were allegory for, that would be a welcome opinion in your community?

[+] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s always one that has to take things to the extreme in a pathetic attempt try and prove a point. 99% of people wouldn’t dream of posting the kind of stuff you just did to in an attempt to be what you obviously consider clever.

It should also not go unnoticed that this kind of pro-Nazi post was made here and not in my community. Please stay here.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You didn’t answer the question.

[–] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A welcome opinion? All opinions are welcome. I personally don’t agree with what you said but I don’t have to. That’s the beauty of an opinion. It’s not fact, it’s an opinion. And we all know what they say about opinions.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That’s pretty wack.

I will say right here and now, without hesitation or equivocation, anyone engaging in bigotry in this community will have their posts comments/removed, and they will very likely be banned.

No one is going to be banned for their opinion that any particular iteration of Star Trek, new or old, isn’t very good though. That would be silly.

[–] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’d like to believe you but the modlog doesn’t support your claim. Posts have been removed today for no other reason than they are criticising aspects of an episode or show. That’s the beauty of Lemmy. Mods actions are public record unlike Reddit.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't say posts wouldn't be removed, I said no one was going to be banned.

There are still community guidelines which need to be met, including a requirement that criticism be constructive. It's literally Rule #1 on the sidebar. Just dashing off some spicy take and not elaborating further doesn't clear that low bar, but for people for whom that's the sort of communication that they're looking for, it sounds as though your community would be right up their alley.

[–] 47_Alpha_Tango@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be Constructive is too subjective to be the number one rule.

Discovery is terrible because it is too far removed from Gene’s vision.

To me that’s a valid point and constructive because it gives a reason I think it’s terrible. But to you it might not be however that doesn’t mean it should be removed. That’s what the up and down votes are for. Let the community decide instead of censoring people.

It isn’t very Starfleet of you.

[–] USSBurritoTruck@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

Be Constructive is too subjective to be the number one rule.

We teach children the basics of critique in junior high English classes. Or at least I assume they still do; it's been a grip.

Discovery is terrible because it is too far removed from Gene’s vision.

To me that’s a valid point and constructive because it gives a reason I think it’s terrible.

That's not criticism, that's a thought terminating cliché which leaves no room for discussion of the relative merits of Disco because of some nebulous ideas you're assuming a dead man had.

Do you similarly believe that "The Undiscovered Country" is terrible? William Shatner has claimed that Roddenberry saw the film two days before his passing, and after telling everyone it was good went home and phoned his lawyer, demanding that they remove many of the movie's more militaristic elements.

According to Marina Sirtis, Gene Roddenberry would have hated DS9, and said "No" when the idea was presented to him. Rick Berman has disputed that, but Berman's accounts of how much Roddenberry was aware of even the initial pitch and character sketches have varied considerably over the years.

It isn’t very Starfleet of you.

Is it particularly Starfleet of you to complain about things being "woke" as I see you did in another comment?

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. Disco is simply another combination of the elements that make Trek. It doesn't have to be to anyone's particular tastes.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Cool. Cool, cool, cool.

Just gonna go ahead and block you now.

[–] flamingmongoose@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's r/star_trek all over again lol

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

You can tell by the underscore that it's special.

[–] electric@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What makes it more free and open? Banning those who disagree? You got any sources??? This place seems pretty normal.

Just to test your theory: TOS is mind numbingly boring.

[–] kd637_mi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

My poor TOS :'(

[–] JWBananas@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Could you please continue the petty bickering? I find it most intriguing.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow, a whole community for persecution complex babies whining that they can't use dogwhistles and complain about 'wokeness' (whatever you think that means) without consequences? Nah, I'm good out here, thanks.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 1 year ago

All right, the OP has made their sales pitch, and further discussion is unlikely to be productive.

Just a reminder: going to other spaces on the internet in order to manipulate votes or otherwise cause trouble is uncool, and we will take action against anyone we catch doing it. I'm proud to say that this does not appear to have happened in this case, so thank you all for that.

A further reminder that posts of this nature are considered off-topic for c/startrek - Fediverse posts belong on c/quarks.

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