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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Awesome protest, but I'm not sure about the blurb ontop.

Do right-wing people deny that trans women can have breasts? I don't believe that is true in general. And do public decency laws specify that breasts can't be shown, or women can't show nipples?

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Depends entirely on the language of the law, not what right wing people think. The UK isn't like the USA in this regard, or at least Scotland isn't ...yet.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Not the fucking Onion.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

Isn't it also not illegal to be topless. Pretty sure that one applies in Scotland as well anyway. Simply being naked isn't a crime, doing it to cause distress is though. A protest like this would be fine.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What do they mean by "biological" women? There are different characteristics to biological markers: gonodal, genetic / chromosomal, anatomical, hormonal. All can be manifested differently.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's part of what their protest is getting at — as you highlight, even "biological sex" is pretty complex (In science, I have heard that the "three G's" (Gonads, genetics, genitals) model is the standard definition, but scientists who research biological sex seem to consider this an extreme oversimplification). Fuzzy definitions like this are fine in science, but things get much messier when we try to write these things into law. One of my problems with the recent Supreme Court ruling on transgender rights is how they use the phrase "biological woman", as if it is a simple matter.

I find this especially striking because I'm a cis woman who has plenty of experience of being treated poorly due to being a woman, and I feel like my "biological sex" (as in gonads, genetics and genitals) don't factor into it much; far more significant is whether I am perceived as a woman, and this is why "gender" can be far more useful than "biological sex" in these discussions.

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[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They have three categories: "biological woman," which is a fertile cis woman with XX chromosomes and a vulva; "biological man," which is a fertile or formerly fertile cis man with XY chromosomes; and undesirables, who are everyone else and are referred to by whichever terminology is convenient for them at any given point.

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[–] pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

Haha, got'em by the balls! (So to speak)

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