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The FBI has devolved into chaos amid Director Kash Patel’s ongoing efforts to rid the agency of staff disloyal to the Trump administration.

Patel is now subjecting senior executives to polygraphs at a “rapid rate,” The New York Times reports, as part of a wider effort to stamp out embarrassing news leaks from within the agency.

One senior official told the Times in its exposé that he was forced out last month after being subjected to a lie detector test. He believes he was targeted because he hadn’t told Patel about his wife taking a knee during the 2020 protests against police brutality in Washington, D.C.

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[–] vala@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

Ok I'm not going to entertain the idea that the actual FBI doesn't know how polygraphs work and how effective they really are.

This is a clear excuse to just oust whomever they don't like.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 7 points 23 hours ago

Is the FBI really so full of abject cowards that they're all just rolling over and taking this? The US is so boned.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

devolved into chaos

i love how we're still pretending things are otherwise orderly when literal nazi clowns are running the show.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Polygraphs are bullshit and easy to defeat

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Basically their entire existence (as they currently exist in the justice system) was manufactured purely to fabricate evidence from nothing.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s not about the polygraph results. It’s if you’re smart enough to know polygraphs are bullshit and refuse to take one the opposition will use that as an implication of guilt. And because they’re bullshit and you get a “guilty” result, they’ll use that too.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That doesn't sound legal

But you could also just take it and force the results to be useless

Polygraph results are not admissible in court. Nonetheless, cases get tried in the public too.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is crazy. The FBI was already a heavily conservative organization and now he’s dragging it into MAGA-only.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ah yes, because those are totally a real and trustworthy technology and not some snake oil bullshit that is inadmissible in court because of how snake oil bullshit it is.

Anyway, that tracks.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You think the FBI under trump should be taken seriously? The government is an international laughing stock.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The FBI before Trump shouldn't have been taken seriously when it was treating shit like BLM as dangerous while ignoring white power terrorist groups.

But it should be taken even less seriously now.

The government is an international laughing stock.

Yes.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago

Or cointelpro decades before that, probably the same thing honestly

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

I think we’re confusing “taking seriously” with “respecting”

[–] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

inadmissible in court

The judicial coup is out of control /s

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Nothing like a moron running the FBI amright?

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 46 points 2 days ago

A stress detector mislabled as a lie detector. Fuck right off..

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every photo of this looks like he just mistrusted a fart

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

He looks like he's just as surprised as everyone else that he's actually in charge of the FBI... It's imposter syndrome, but the dude is an actual imposter.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

The fall of the US Empire on full display.

[–] knighthawk0811@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (3 children)

don't they know that polygraphs don't actually work? it's taught in psych 101 ffs

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Polygraphs have wires and knobs though, so that makes them scientific, high-tech and modern - otherwise the only way to do their witch hubt would be dunking agents in a pond or stripping them naked and looking for satan's birthmarks...

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What else floats on water?

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So if they weigh the same as a church...

I mean they did such in Ozark. The church selling drugs at church lol.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They work, but only 50% of the time...

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

They work, but only ~~5~~0% of the time…

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They probably do and just don't care.

I'm sure they have a whole guidebook on how to present them to a judge in such a way that they can be used as evidence for baseless search warrants.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is basically what J. Edgar Hoover did. I didn't think he ever used a polygraph specifically, but he did ideological purges all the time.

The FBI has always been like this.

(I would say hi to my agent, but let's be honest, he's probably been laid off already)

[–] IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

He’s been replaced by ai 100%

[–] blargle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

His children's book for anyone who may have missed it. I think there's actually a whole series of them.

[–] Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Fuck, I read some reviews from that page. What a depressing situation. I'm sure many are bots, but still.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Conservatives should be outlawed as they pose a serious danger to children imo.

There is a

horse

loose

in the hospital

[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 21 points 2 days ago

Has the search for his neck begun?

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

None dare call it FASCISM.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

No kidding, this guy is the most shady looking m’fucker in US politics.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

This guy is a bigger pansy than trump. Anyone that paranoid is an evil coward

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

fascism in progress

Fines tripled or quadrupled, depending on what they feel like.

[–] Kurious84@lemmings.world 2 points 2 days ago

He has that sold my soul look about him.