Deportations seem to be the primary benefit of electing Trump according r/Conservative. I check periodically to see if they regret Trump yet.
Obviously, hard to tell what’s real over there.
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Scaring immigrants and reducing both legal and illegal immigration is the stupidest thing any country with a declining birth rate and an increase in elderly population can do.
Who’s going to provide elder care? Who’s going to pay taxes to maintain the country?
The majority of legal and illegal immigrants are often skilled workers with foresight and drive to work to improve their lives. They are often escaping persecution corruption and criminal behavior and looking for peace and prosperity.
They regularly take the worst type of jobs, at low pay rates, even though many of them are highly skilled and educated. These are jobs many citizens do not want, harvesting crops, cleaning, landscaping.
Anyone white who doesn’t realize their ancestors were literally in the same boat and behaved like actual criminals , stealing land from native Americans and killing them with violence and disease, and/or owning slaves, is an idiot.
Many of the people who worry about immigrants are looking for someone to blame for their unhappiness, when the real problem is the rich (or themselves) .
Native people are the only non immigrants in this country.
It’s even stupider with the attack on universities. We’ve always benefited from a “brain drain” from other countries where many of the best and brightest come here for an education, and some of them stay no to build companies, improve our science and technology.
We’re not just attacking immigrants who make our country great, drive the economy, and offset declining birth rates, but we’re specifically attacking those who are legal and might improve science, technology, innovation.
I have at least one family member who definitely believes that there are foreigners coming over, stealing opportunities, and getting free rides. I nope'd out of the conversation before it could go any further but, unless they suddenly changed, they believe whatever newsmax says.
For context, two years after 9/11 upwards of 70% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was directly connected to the attacks and wanted to invade Iraq.
Americans are not smart, and they are very racist.
Those of us who lived through the Dubya Bush years can attest to this. Even Dubya Bush wanted to give illegal immigrants amnesty and a path to citizenship but it was deeply unpopular so it never happened.
Even Dubya Bush wanted to give illegal immigrants amnesty and a path to citizenship but it was deeply unpopular so it never happened.
Wow, they wouldn't even let the man build up some good karma after directly causing the death of over a million people.
Nah, they let him do some:
His program for helping manage HIV/AIDs in Africa is still viewed very positively.
Dubya was a mixed bag and I often felt like he got the rawest deal out of the war on terror. He was a true believer, he famously told Jacques Chirac that he thought the biblical demons Gog and Magog were at work in the middle east. He truly thought he needed to save the world. I think he was naive and was basically used by the neoconservatives around him. That doesn't excuse any of it, being a true believer led him to signing off on true atrocities. However, it makes me view him as more of a mixed bag of a person who may not have signed off on so many atrocities and might have done more genuinely good things if he had a less evil team managing him from behind the scenes. People didn't call Dick Cheney Darth Vader for nothing, the people around Bush were far more legitimately purposefully evil than him, in my eyes. Bush still signed off on war crimes though, so it's hard to have that much sympathy. I used to think that being a true believer was his worst quality and why things went so badly and it made me think being a true believer was the most dangerous quality you could have in a leader. Well, Trump taught me that believing in nothing at all is far, far worse.
Don't take away his agency by way of religion. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I don't think I'm taking away his agency. I'll even quote myself.
I used to think that being a true believer was his worst quality and why things went so badly and it made me think being a true believer was the most dangerous quality you could have in a leader.
His agency is defined by his religion, his religion is why he was so sure he was doing the right thing without any self-reflection on the human consequences of the millions of lives lost in Iraq. He was justifying it as a means to an end to win a Holy War. That's pretty horrific.
I do think he actually wanted to do good in the world, but yes, true believers of religion are often blinded to the suffering they're making happen because they're so sure that the suffering needs to happen for God to love them. That's why I thought being a true believer was a dangerous quality in a leader, because they don't have the capacity to self reflect on how horrific their decisions are due to the fact that in their mind the ends justify the means in the name of God. That's still his own agency choosing to ignore the horrors he wrought because he believed it needed to happen in God's name. Religion didn't force that viewpoint upon him, there are plenty of pacifist religious people, it was a choice he made in the name of his religion.
I suppose that makes sense.
I would much rather have legal immigration be easier, cheaper, faster.
Let them in, let them work, let them pay taxes, let them be free and part of the country they want to be in. They want to be here so badly they are willing to commit the crime of being here illegally and working hard for very little money. it’s gross how often they are taken advantage of.
Undocumented immigrants contribute significantly to taxes, FYI. If they are buying things, they are paying some taxes.
They're often also paying the same payroll taxes as citizens, just with false documents. And then not being able to take advantage of many of the services those payroll taxes provide for.
The documents often aren't fake, otherwise they wouldn't be getting tracked down by their names. Many come to the U.S. on a student visa or work visa or such. And the student gets a job while working to pay for food/life while they are here. When they are done with school or drop out, they are still working. Which makes them now an illegal immigrant, but they still want food the next day, they already have a residence they were staying at and a job they were working, and the taxes they were paying into. They just can't collect social security and such because they can't submit paperwork and such when they are no longer legally here.
For instance Musk moved to the U.S. around 1992, on a student Visa. He did not become a Citizen until 2002. Yet he sold his company to eBay in 2002 (established in 1995). His Visa would have been long expired as he stopped going to school in 1997 supposedly. So 5 out of the 7 years he established growing his company within the U.S. he would have been considered an illegal immigrant. This is something he admitted to on broadcasts before.
Our records show the majority of immigrants who come into the U.S. become illegal after their Visa's or other legal entry methods expire. What they are doing now is systematically reducing the population that currently pays taxes and reducing our workforce while tariffing other countries which will reduce imports overall by making them more costly. Every part of it appears to want to shrink/halt the economic growth of the U.S. The alternative reasons could be that they are anti capitalism, or simply just don't like people who are different.
Yes! Thank you for that reminder and clarification/correction!
I wish I could upvote this more. Even field workers are required to provide documents to get a job. They also receive paper checks, with taxes taken out, just like the rest of us. So they're actually paying into a system they can't use.
The whole point of the current system is to take advantage of them and suppress wages of the domestic slave force.
Government is running this policy but the normies can't accept the fact that this is in fact the official policy.
This is what owner class wants. Until they get the rope, nothing changes.
The clue I see is none of the employers ever get in trouble for hiring illegals.
Even alt right is figure this one out haha
I am amazed how this little nugget never gets the attention it deserves in normie discourse but fake news will never permit it.
They do though. They get fined a lot.
I’m pretty sure a large number of “illegal” immigrants are those who overstay their student visas or screw up their paperwork. People with a productive life who came here legally.
There’s got to be better way to catch up on paperwork.
I dont support mass deportations-especiially to concentration camps- but I'd like for all immigrants to up and leave so we could see the country collapse. Goddamn ignorant Nazi fuck honkies cant do a goddamn thing on their own.
Immigrants: return home; arm.up; wait for the stupid fucking yanks to come try to overthrow you again and give them the Vietnam treatment.
Sorry I cant go "home".
"Home" is PRC and they aren't exactly too shy with the tanks."
Besides, PRC also doesn't have dual citizenship, and I already naturalized as US Citizen, meaning the only citizenship I have is the US.
Any EU countries accepting refugees? 👀
Vancouver?
It blows me away how fucking easily my fellow countrymen are led by their god damned nose.
Closet fucking fascists, all of them, and too stupid to recognize simple fucking fallacies.
My life sucks, ooh it must be because an illegal committed a crime. Even though immigrants have a lower crime rate than our ever present white trash.
I don't support mass deportations but I understand why people do. Id prefer amnesty (especially for children and families who have been here for years) followed by eased legal immigration processes to make it easier to come here legally.
What bothers me recently though isn't mass deportations themselves, it's the way they are being done. Unmarked officers, no oversight, sketchy warrants that prey on people's lack of knowledge of their rights, strong arming local organizations and governments to hand over info, punishing people who are trying to fix their status or lost it on a technicality, etc.
I know some now legal immigrants, who were granted amnesty in the 80s, who support or feel indifferent about the mass deportations...
Sadly, something I've realized that is part of our United Statian culture is that we believe: "If I suffered, then others must suffer as well." We are not a kind or compassionate country. We do not care about our neighbors.
You said it more eloquently, but it's basically "fuck you, i got mine". It's really gross :/
I think a lot of them don't realize who is being categorized as illegal. Conservatives I know seen to be able to hold multiple conflicting ideas at the same time, e.g., hating immigrants but be friends with them on a one on one basis. I don't think they actually see the problem with that.
Anyway, I think a lot of centrists especially take "illegal" and "criminal" at face value. You can see the argument for deporting people that shouldn't have been here to begin with. The difference is that we're seeing a very loose definition of those terms being applied by authorities. Innocent people are being targeted and treated as terrorists.
I think a lot of them don't realize this, or refuse to believe it. You will see them online saying "Come to America. You have nothing to worry about if your papers are in order and you haven't done anything wrong."
This is just my impression of things. People are different and it's a big country.
This is why subject matter experts matter. Support for the vague idea of "deport people here illegally" is pretty high, but any specific method of actually doing it is much more unpopular. Media is essential in getting that distinction out to the laypeople, but they've largely failed.
And I'd argue that it's not just immigration where this disconnect exists. Lots of policies have broad support until you start talking about specifics. People just want to "get things done" but the "how" is either boring or unsavory.
Media is essential in getting that distinction out to the laypeople, but they've largely failed.
They haven't failed anything. Their billionaire owners purposely misconstrue the truth to manufacture the exact opposite intentions. Creating said "high support"
The only person I know who supports these actions is literally known around my neighborhood as crazy Mike, because he’s crazy. He also openly admits he’s hypocritical, as he will condemn an action democrats do, but praise the same actions if they’re done by republicans. He knows he’s hypocritical but doesn’t see anything wrong with it. Like I said he’s crazy.
Apparently my father goes by crazy mike on the streets.
Most everyone I know but I am from Texas so that may affect things
I'm sorry you live in Texas. I love your username btw.
From Texas thankfully living in Portland rn. Unfortunately it is only temporary. Also thanks I am glad it makes people smile sometimes :)
I've never meant someone irl that supports it. I've seen some online profiles support it, maybe they are fake.
Or maybe these people don't say it to your face, but still believe it.
Depends on where you’re from. Up in this blue corner I know very few who would support it. Ironically they’re immigrants.
The “No Kings” protests are much bigger here, and police are not allowed to work with ICE.
Recently had ICE kidnapping two weekends in a row in my town. One was a big deal because they kidnapped a father off the street and abandoned his kid. The other was a big deal because they threatened a city councilor for his presence and his video in support of his constituents. Recently they kidnapped a couple of teens and pre-teens as well. No one here supports that
Yes, it's common. My understanding is it's actually more common in Europe and elsewhere, and on the rise globally. It's getting crowded on this planet, and people want easy answers.
Id say every living president other than Obama has a record of supporting more deportations than Trump! Google says there were 17,000 deportations made last month which if expanded out to 48 months to cover his whole presidential term would give an estimated total of 800,000. Not sure what im missing here that is giving such a mismatch of totals but he is some how on pace for the least amount of deportations during any presidential term since before Reagan.
Could it be because of the 77% decline in migrant entrances into the country?
Or the fact that the government isn't a reliable source anymore.
I think recent Gallup and CNN polls shows about every 2 out of 3 Americans approve Trumps immigration policy and currently has a +1 favorably rating. The same polls showed his economic policies to be favored by more than 17% more than democrats. The fact republicans are stomping democrats, and democrats keep doubling down on failed ideas is astounding. Let any blue collar worker from the Midwest run the DNC and we would win every election in a landslide, but instead we insult men and push identity politics that even minorities don’t want.
insult men
The left abandoning young men is why there is the alt-right pipeline... 😓
Would you rather vote for the people who say you suck and are the root of all the world’s problems or the people who respect your existence? Not a hard decision
Not a hard decision
Apparantly it was a hard decision for Cuban Americans and Latino/Hispanic Men
According to a poll by CBS, over half of voters support mass deportations. https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/majority-voters-approve-trump-deportation-program-cbs-news-poll-finds
Many people I know agree with deporting illegal immigrants and see it as a problem that had been simply ignored for far too long. I found an article talking about deportation flights as early as 2023 (I'll try to find and link it here, and here's one from 2024) so it's not brought on by the Trump admin, but he greatly expanded the scale and publicity.
There are disagreements though, mostly with how it's being carried out. If the agents are unidentifiable as feds some day someone is going to fight back, or a third party will intervene thinking they are getting mugged.
And there is a big lack of due process to make sure those arrested actually meet the criteria for deportation. No way they are all 100% legit with no mistakes. If everything is legit more due process and transparency shouldn't be an issue if your case is solid.
Sure , there’s always been some deportations. We’ve always patrolled the southern border and arrested and deported people trying to cross illegally. Sometimes it’s less humane than other times.
We’ve also usually granted refugee status to places having a hard time. We’ve usually not worried much about employed people. We’ve usually not kidnapped people from immigration court. Weve usually not had masked thugs terrorizing anyone not white enough.
Elon musk is probably the typical illegal alien. Came here legally on a student visa. Overstayed when it expired, but wasn’t really a problem and no one trying to hunt him down. He became a productive member of society. At some point he caught up on the paperwork.