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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship

For the record, no, it's pitting unconstitutional orders against sworn duty.

I don't want the military to decide any outcomes, but I do think just about time they let everyone involved know that the military's only loyalty is to the people and the constitution. Yes, they take orders from the president, but we have checks and balances for a reason, and I'd feel better if the military just stated plainly their primary goal is to keep it that way.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

While that would be nice, this would potentially make Trump try to purge "non-loyal" officers even harder.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Anything to make Trump's dismantlement of democracy even just a tiny bit harder is a good thing.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

My fear is that it would make it easier, by singling out who needs to be purged.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If they stay compliment with Trump, they won't need to be purged anyways as they are complient at that point.

If they pick the right moment to resist, they can at least tie up lawyers and/or millitarty personnel up with court marshalls, spending money, resources, and manpower to keep them in military prison, ect.

And besides that, its literally in their oath to disobey unlawful orders, so if something is blatently unconstitutional and immoral I would expect every good soldier to follow their oath rather than their orders.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with any of this, but it's kind of precisely why coming out and saying what teawrecks wants them to say before that right moment is foolhardy at best imo.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

In other words, your saying that they should keep a low profile until the moment they need to disobey? Makes sense.

Yeah, exactly this.

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

The fuck.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago

Anyone still think this is OK?

You know who you are, and if you think this is OK, then fuck you

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 49 points 14 hours ago

But on that morning in March, Guardado got a strange phone call at work. Some sort of public safety officer had dialed her office and wanted her to come outside to talk. In the parking lot, three men in plain clothes identified themselves as Department of Public Safety officers, Correa told The War Horse. As Shirly approached, they said her car had been involved in an accident. But when she got close, they grabbed her and handcuffed her, telling her they were ICE agents.

Can't trust anyone.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 163 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Remember this, service men and women, when you are given your orders to oppress us.

You are also one of the oppressed.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago

Just a little lower on the list.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 84 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Army Sgt. Ayssac Correa had just started his day at the 103rd Quartermaster Company outside of Houston on the morning of March 13 when he got a phone call from his sister-in-law.

She worked at the same company as Correa’s wife and had just pulled into the parking lot to see three ICE agents handcuffing her.

“They’re taking Shirly away!” she told him.

Imagine getting that call. We've definitely become evil.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 38 minutes ago

It's not we that have become evil. I think it's imperative that people properly consider who is doing the evil shit.

Many years ago I was visiting some country in Central America, and they were not angry that I was American even though the American government had done horrible things to their country, because they knew that I had no control over what those crazy motherfuckers did.

And that doesn't mean that everyone is powerless, that we shouldn't try to make a difference. That's a different conversation.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 67 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

My wife is Mexican-American. She was born here, and I fear that call. ICE is rounding up everyone that they “suspect” is undocumented. I’m afraid that she’ll get picked up and lost in the system before I can bring proof of citizenship.

What ICE is doing is evil. I can’t believe this is my country after only a few months, and I fear what will happen in a few years.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 34 points 16 hours ago

the proof doesn't matter when they're not bothering to check; ask kilmar obrego garcia.

i had family members that were born and raised in this country and deported during the last bought of xenophobia that this country went through during ww2; the most recent one ended up living out the rest of his life and dying in mexico.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 90 points 19 hours ago

Fascist dictators don't have loyalty, soldier. That's a key element to them.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 86 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

“Me being in the military—I felt bad that it was happening, because I’m also married to somebody who’s going through the [immigration] process. But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

That misconception is common, immigration attorneys and advocates told The War Horse. But in reality, there is no guaranteed path to citizenship for undocumented military family members—and no guaranteed protections against deportation.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 60 points 18 hours ago

And that's how you know exactly who that idiot voted for. Now he's getting the day he asked for, and it's no longer fun.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 31 points 17 hours ago

Daughter: Daddy, why do you work for the people who kidnapped Mommy? Correa: I don’t, sweetheart. I’m in the Army. The Army doesn’t deport people. ICE does. Daughter: They both take orders from the president, though, right? Correa: well, yeah. Daughter: So, why do you work for the man who ordered ICE to kidnap Mommy? Correa: …

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 53 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

“Surely my king won’t deport my wife”

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 34 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

He is, and don't call him Shirley.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 36 points 18 hours ago

No one can call Shirly, she's getting deported.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 28 points 17 hours ago
[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 63 points 19 hours ago

Nobody is safe.

[–] Nusm@piefed.zip 53 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Where are you seeing he was a trumper?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago

But I was like, ‘Oh, there’s no way this is going to happen to us,’” he said.

It's not definitive, but it's a big fucking clue.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 16 hours ago

Odds are pretty good giving that he's in the military. The Latino people I know who were ex military are Trump 100%.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

A single quote saying he felt bad about the ICE deportations, I think. I didn't see anything in there that was direct.

[–] SieYaku@chachara.club 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And they have a baby only 10 months old!! My baby is a little bit older but still, can't imagine if something like that just came and split us, it would be very traumatic for everyone.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago

And if Trump has his way, that baby will someday get deported too. The dad should be glad the baby wasn't with mom when they kidnapped her. They might have taken the baby too.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 23 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

what does the military say to recruits that so thoroughly dupes them into thinking the government gives half a rat's ass about them?

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The main thing is ~13y of indoctrination in our schools starting with pledge every day and the whitewashing of our history.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 4 points 14 hours ago

"you aint seen nuthin yet"

-GOP

[–] vegeta@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Nobody is safe from the ~~Commander~~Leopard in Chief

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 3 points 14 hours ago

That should be the leopards ate my face mascot