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[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Supporting Gaiman is supporting a rapist; it will negatively impact a couple people directly.

Supporting Rowling is much worse.

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago

Harry Potter is so ubiquitous that most people who consume it do so without really knowing much about the author beyond their name and then there's a decent chunk that don't care because it doesn't affect them and they think it's culture war stuff that doesn't matter.

Making people care about things that don't directly affect them is always the hardest task.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 93 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I mean, I still love American Gods, Good omens and Neverwhere. I just stopped recommending them to people.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 16 hours ago

american gods, good omens, sandman.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago

The thing that really pisses me off re: Good Omens in particular is that it took Pratchett out with him. And we don't get any more of the TV show because of it, either. Even though it's only half-Gaiman, it got ruined anyway.

[–] benignintervention@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I still enjoy his writing, but I'm not sure how to engage now. I want to separate the artist from the art and let the legal system do its thing as a separate thing and I don't know what 'right' looks like as a reader

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can't separate artist and art. I feel guilty and angry. But I also don't want to. Money to them is money to their deeds. Paying for anything Harry Potter is paying for anti-trans movements. Paying anything Gaiman goes to the "fix your image" firm he has hired. Then I start thinking that firm is probably out there with messaging convincing people to separate art from the artist.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Heres what you can do:

Encourage people to pirate his shit

Remind people what he did. In detail.

Start with me! I know he did... Some rapey shit? Pro ably wizard flavored?

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Here's the sanitized AP reporting: Woman’s lawsuits say sci-fi author Neil Gaiman repeatedly sexually assaulted her

Here's the full account from the victim (ALL the trigger warnings): "There is no safe word" - Vulture

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[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Buying used copies and pirating his stuff so he never sees a penny, and talking about what a pile of shit he is. I do the same with David and Leigh Eddings. Who locked children in cages in their basement and beat them, among other things.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Holy shit, what the fuck? I think I read one edding's book and didn't think much of it, but what the fuck?! Where's my interrobang button!?

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

some googling later

Well, shit. Glad I buy secondhand books at every opportunity, otherwise I would have given money to a human sized pile of shit.

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

yeah learning about gaiman was hard, his work meant so much to me.

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[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 54 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Am I going to get rid of his works that I own? No, probably not. I love them. Which is why it sucks so much to never recommend them again, but that's the reality.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Shitty people can make good art. Death of the author.

Just never give them money.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

My 2c tho, the Harry Potter novels legitimately suck. This has been my opinion of them since I was in 8th grade when the first one came out. At the time I described Sorcerer's / Philosopher's Stone as a failed attempt at ripping off Roald Dahl (British author who wrote mean-spirited children's books that stereotyped characters with funny-sounding names based on their physical descriptions). I was frequently urged to and attempted to give the books a second chance, never got more than 20 pages back into any of them before I put them down in exasperation because to me they always felt very petty and derivative. I was not very surprised when JK started to peel off her mask to the public.

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I’d only heard about Gaiman on tumblr, and they’re fairly socially conscious over there. Frankly, I’d be surprised if he had any staying power with the crowd that previously endorsed him.

“Sexually assault your fans” wouldn’t sit well with anyone, whereas “women aren’t real women” comes out of left field.

[–] dandelion@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed, Gaiman fans are not the average person, I think this partially accounts for the difference (as well as the difference between how culturally acceptable transphobia is compared to rape).

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Thing is Gaiman pissed off all feminists with the SA allegations so of course he has disappeared from the online world because the cross over between Neil Gaiman readers and SA-appologists is very small.

Whereas a sect of the feminists support her gatekeeping opinion that the only thing that can describe if you're a woman is being born with a cunt. This one very vocal audience is not unified.

On top of that Rowling is more mainstream than Gaiman is and the general public is more willing to ignore the mudslinging world of gender politics and not get involved if it means more content from a popular mediocre scribe.

[–] dandelion@piefed.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yeah, agreed - Gaiman's fans are far less willing to tolerate his SA, HP fans are more general public and transphobia is more socially acceptable than SA.

Basically this post is essentially saying, "it's a shame transphobia is so acceptable to people"

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You see, the difference is... Supporting Gaiman makes you seem like a rape enabler.... And anything related to rape is bad.

You want to discriminate against gay/trans/black/brown people? It might be distasteful, but it's not universally considered bad. There's lots of people out there willing to vote a Nazi into the white house and cheer him on as he breaks the law to deport anyone and everyone he wants to just because they're "not from here" (or they think they're "not from here").

See, they're ~~not~~ the same thing.

[–] Appleseuss@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah but Agent Orange was convicted of sexual assault too, so that argument doesn't hold.

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[–] TIN@feddit.uk 22 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The Sandman books were a massive part of my teenage years, one thing my sister and I agreed on back then and a source of endless conversation with my crush. Really gutted that I can't look forward to introducing my teenagers to them.

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