Substance discovered by folks that called it alum or aluminum for literally five centuries then the Brits come galloping in to colonize the accepted name then try to look down on everyone else
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Cool narrative you got there mate, problem is while the term "alum" was used for (far more than) 5 centuries, the words "aluminium" and "aluminium" were both coined around the same time, roughly 1810ish. Also, Sir. Davy, who coined the phrase that you hold dear, was British.
Tldr: every part of that statement is wrong
It is really weird how you agreed with me and yet still said I was wrong.
Yeah, sarcasm mate
Then they stole all their ancient artefacts to put in their own museums.
We canadians also say Aluminum and I would like to be represented in this comic as a target of mockery alongside the US thank you.
Pronounce 'bottle of water' right now OP
Edit: I changed the recording a little bit.
Edit 2: I find it funny how I've posted my voice a bunch in the past and yet fuckin' this is what has people messaging me thirsting over my voice. Friendly reminder. I'm gay. And now scared.
This is a top class response 👏
Am I the only one who finds differences in american vs british english cool, instead of a reason to be a dick
Let's table that discussion.
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The meanings of "table" as a verb in US vs UK parliamentary usage are literally opposites. With the US meaning being to stop discussing or put aside for later, while the UK version means to begin discussing.
This actually caused confusion during allied meetings in WWII.
Platinium
Goldium
Silverium
Leadium
The latin names had -um suffixes
- Gold - Aurum
- Silver - Argentum
- Lead - Plumbum
also:
- Copper - Cuprum
- Iron - Ferrum
Aluminum already has an -um suffix so there's no need to change it
If you hate Americans because of this, of all things, then you're going to lose your mind when you find out about everything that's happened this year.
Aluminium is not the -ium of alumin
Aluminium is the genericitation of aluminum.
The actual -ium is of alum. The original name is alumium.
Aluminum is a modification of alumiun, not aluminium
We say it the original correct way in the US. Other countries changed it for some reason. The guy that discovered it in 1808, Sir Humphrey Davy named it "Alumium" which based on Alumen (Latin for bitter salt)but quickly changed it to "Aluminum". I swear I remember reading that he kept getting shit on by the science community and his friends for naming a metal "bitter salt" in Latin ... but can't find a reference.
His colleagues in Britain did mess with him and start using the name "Aluminium" ... exactly because it ended in "ium" like ALL the other elements (Oxygenium, Carbonium, Ironium, Zincium, Nitrogenium, and the like). They US just kept the name the discoverer wanted instead of giving into those British asshats that just wanted to troll Sir Davy.
He also isolated Magnesium and named it "magnium", but later changed to magnesium. The guy just couldnt settle on names. Again, in my version of reality it is because his friends kept giving him shit.
They US just kept the name the discoverer wanted instead of giving into those British asshats that just wanted to troll Sir Davy.
It probably wasnt really a willful defiance thing. It's likely more correct to say that we kept the name because by the time they changed it officially in Europe, we had millions of students across the country that had textbooks with the name Aluminum in it, that had already been taught the original name, and if the inconsistentcy was even important enought to consider "correcting", it was likely deemed too costly and too much of a headache to change at the time. By the time people were buying reprints/new editions/more recently written textbooks anyway, professional chemists in the US had been calling it Aluminum for years. Given how isolated we were from Europe in the early 1800s, there was very little pressure to align with them on it, and so it stayed. The longer it stayed the more likely it was to be permanent, and here we are.
But yeah, Sir Humphrey Davy was an indecisive wishy-washy namer of elements, disseminated multiple names across the world, but somehow that is our fault when we just stuck with the one we were given and everyone else changed over nitpicky conventions. It's not the only thing that Brits shit on about American English that is entirely their invention or their mistake:
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"Soccer" being a British term short for "Association Football"
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The season "Fall" being a British term shortened from the phrase "The Fall of the Leaf" and directly complementary to "Spring" which comes from the phrase "The Spring of the Leaf", which they still use despite making fun of Americans for "Fall" instead of their "Autumn", which Americans also use.
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"Dove" instead of "dived", "pled" instead of "pleaded", "have gotten" instead of "have got", etc. all started in Britain but were dropped there and stayed in the US.
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"Herb" being pronounced with an audible "h". The word is borrowed from French, where the h is silent, exactly like , "honorary", and "honesty". Neither country pronounces either of those words with an "h" sound, but that doesnt stop people like Eddie Izzard shitting on how Americans say it with a silent "h" despite the American pronunciation being, arguably, more correct given the word's origins.
Side note, it is crazy how many words in English are borrowed from French, even if they are horribly mangled and unrecognizable now in a lot of cases. The British Aristocracy really had their noses shoved firmly up French asses for a lot of their history in the last few centuries.
I'm gonna take this chance to air my personal grievance with "Iodine", which is commonly pronounced (in the US at least) "aye-o-dine", but if we look at all of the other halogen, their "-ine" ending is pronounced "-een", and therefore iodine should clearly be pronounced "aye-o-deen".
Iodinium
I'm English and have always pronounced it as aye-o-deen and the use of dine annoys me unreasonably.
Go and get some platinium and if you want to go old fashioned you may like aurium.
Always find it funny how the French and British traditionally hate on each other but the British will defend to the death the stupid French shit we stole for our language
the amount of times I've seen people get pissed off at the American English removal of the useless "u" is actually fucking silly
ITT a bunch of weird pedantic nerds that hate language and don't read enough books.
Sorry, I'm siding with my American compatriots on this one. Yours sounds silly.
"Aluminium" sounds like something a fantasy writer would call aluminum in their novel just to make it sound magical.
It confused me a bit when reading the Mistborn series. Wtf is aluminum and why have i never heard of that? Do they just call Aluminium differently because of story reasons? Did i miss something? Are the other metals correct?
Good books tho
Aluminum is the original name for the element. It was changed to be more in line with the others in its group.
The five syllable elements are all weird radioactive things. If Al has five syllables it might make my beer can radioactive or poisonous. Better keep the syllable count on Al to four or less like all of the other normal elements.