It's only true if it's enforced, isn't it?
this post was submitted on 27 Jun 2025
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True of all forms of power — authority is only as legitimate as its ability to enforce itself.
Which is why my fellow Democrats screwed us by being anti second amendment.
Turns out when it’s mostly only fascists who are armed, there’s not much you can do. Numbers really matter, and it’s too late.
Yuuuuuuup.
There are left 2a groups out there y'all, it's not too late to learn.
These are not even suggestions, but a facade of morality to adopt when convenient by the rulers. 'Forked tongues' and all of that, but I guess that what the Lakota warrior knew hundreds of years ago is something some of you have to learn again today.
Well, it’s the actual foundation of the law of the land, so. A little more than suggestions.
what use is "the law" when the ones who are supposed to enforce it are the ones who are breaking it?
Then the US Constitution clearly has zero meaning at all right now and for many people never did
Sure. We’re all pissed.
Meant*
Have you met the supreme court?
Whites only.
... for now
So....get them off American soil, and fair game from there?
If they were "got" on American soil, they have to have due process.
They are supposed to have due process but clearly they don't have to have it since there's a lot of people locked up in detention centres or el Salvadoran mega prisons that wouldn't have been there is that was at all what is happening in reality.
Keep clinging to this illusion that words on paper mean anything at all to these conservative religious fascists if you need to, I'm not in America and I would probably need a healthy amount of copium if I was as well
I'm not in America
Okay, well thanks anyway.
Like, defend themselves in courts or like thru a dance-off?
That’s not what that says. It says:
Trouble is, trials are rare. About 94 percent of felony convictions at the state level and about 97 percent at the federal level are the result of plea bargains.
Plea bargains are due process. In order to expedite them, prosecutors throw the kitchen sink at every case so that IF you go to trial you’re “looking at” 30 years to life without parole for bumping into a cop. The plea, then, is misdemeanor jaywalking, $1000 fine, six months probation and you sleep at home tonight.
Yeah, its fucked up, many parts of it. But that doesn’t deny what the OP image is saying. Saying 90% of trials don’t get due process is incorrect. Firstly, because trials are essentially the definition of due process, but also the link (which is very good) does not say that.
The core of our disagreement is this:
Plea bargains are due process.
They are not, they exist solely and explicitly to circumvent the "due process of law" particularly the 6th and 7th amendments.
prosecutors throw the kitchen sink at every case
Yes, and the fact that isn't viewed as the blatant coercion it is, and a blatant violation of the 5th amendment, is part of the problem.
They are not, they exist solely and explicitly to circumvent the "due process of law" particularly the 6th and 7th amendments.
How does a plea bargain remove the defendant's right to legal counsel or a trial? It does neither of those things. Yes, it's used erroneously by prosecutors and that's a huge problem, but the accused gets counsel even if they can't pay for it and the trial is always an option.
If you're saying plea bargains are designed to intimidate people into not going to trial, yes that's true, but that's not the same thing as circumventing an amendment. That's not the same thing at all.
De jure vs de facto. From the standpoint of a legal fiction you're not wrong, however an option made under duress isn't really an option.
Do you also argue that homelessness doesn't exist due to squatters rights?
No. Plea bargains are due process. It is far from perfect, ideal, or even good. But the seventh amendment isn't a novel-sized book, so they left some things to our society's interpretation, and we're fucking it up bigly.