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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago (59 children)

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

Maybe they think the flooding won’t affect them on their moral high ground.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

They'll never claim an ounce of the responsibility they deserve, the fucking scumbags

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ha ha but You voted for Genocide!

/s

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

So did the protest non-voters, even moreso than the Democrat ones.

The non-genocide position was literally impossible to express no matter what you tried to do.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No it existed. Harris is on record saying she'd like to work towards peace talks.

Which is objectively better than option B: vote GOP "finish them off" and option C: literally doing nothing.

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[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But at least we didn't help hurrying along the most recent great extinction!

I wonder if anything we built will last for the next sentient species that arises.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well not voting in the American pres. election (or voting for someone sure to lose) was a half-vote for Donald. That's just math.

[–] torch_and_blanket@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, no doubt, but a worse foe lurks! Some people voted for Donald Trump.

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I totally feel this frustration, and I'm not US so it's kinda not my business, but I don't buy this argument.

Trump America is a horror show, for sure. But the status quo before Trump is also the foundations that allowed America to become a new facist state. Any real solutions need to be bigger than what middle of the road Democrats are offering.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't vote against Trump. But the system is clearly broken, stop blaming victims of it, and start blaming its perpetrators.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Status quo of Biden implementing Green energy, EVs, build back better, PACT act, chips act, student debt relief, Obama's healthcare. And you're equating this to .... status quo.... , and .... a foundation of a fascist state. ........

[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm 100% not equating Biden with Trump. I'm not trying to deny the comolete horror Trump is afflicting of US and non-US citizens right now.

I'm just saying, he's a symptom of a broken system. America will only come out of this situation if it recognises that it needs to make real and lasting change.

The non voters might not help, but they're at least acknowledging this reality. And putting them in the same camp as literal facists is not helping anyone.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm not saying that you're equating Biden with Trump. I listing off all the accomplishments of the Dems that you are bizarrely trying to call status quo and whatever gymnastics to cram it into "foundations of fascism" something system.

And you are continuing to try to do this. The Dems were making "real" changes to improve society. But you're still trying whatever this mental gymnastics is.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Protest non-voters accounted for maybe 800k, while RFK accounted for 1.3m.

But sure, let's keep blaming voters instead of the Democrats that chose to represent Republican Lite™.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Republican lite at this moment sounds a lot more refreshing than Republican nazi

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm informing protest-non-voters what they actually voted for.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Ok, so protest non-voters accounted for 800k of the non-voting population in 2024.

Want to know how many didn't vote not because of protesting?

About 36% of eligible Americans didn't vote either D, R, or 3rd party in 2024. That's about 120 million Americans. 800k is less than 1% of 120mn.

You know these numbers, and you're still telling me that the protest non-voters were the issue: not that Democrats lost 8 million voters between 2020 and 2024?

Why do you think Democrats both failed to capture more voters despite the eligible voting population increasing from 2020 to 2024, and hemorrhaged their already existing base?

I'll wait for you to draw the conclusion that best suits your liberal comforts.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How do you know how many people who didn't vote did so because of protest?

6 MILLION MORE PEOPLE voted for Biden than Harris. That's a lot of people who just magically disappeared for reasons other than protest by your count. They weren't just undecided swing voters, either, because Trump's votes barely changed at all between 2020 and 2024.

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[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"christians" just do not give a fuck about kids unless they're touching them or oppressing brown ones smfh

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[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Obviously a clerical error. The decimal place is off. It's supposed to be 0.00

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Whaaaaat...?

The party who put a coal lobbyist in charge of the EPA for Trump's entire previous term did this...?

Nooooo.

/sarcasm

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably a blessing in disguise. If they were funding climate research it would almost certainly be fraudulent science.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They had a corps of competent people with civil service protections who were getting paid out of that budget. They avoided committing fraud during the first Trump administration

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't the first Trump administration. This administration doesn't concern itself with civil service protections.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

They are trying change things, but there's a good chance basic stuff like measuring CO2 concentrations would continue normally with a nonzero budget

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

🔥La la la 👉🤑👈 not listening 🔥

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 7 points 1 week ago

At some point, all one can do is laugh.

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