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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 156 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.

And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 64 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.

[–] thelivefive@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oligarchic authoritarianism has been on the rise worldwide for the last 20 years at least and people go on about Trump like he's the cause not a symptom. He's about to be dead and these dumbasses will sit around wondering why everything isn't better now that bad man gone.

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[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Don't appease. Destroy. Did it work with you tied to appease any other dictators?

[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

He can get fucked by a huge pine cone. He and those that back him are enemies of humanity at this point, willfully choosing to be cruel and sacrificing lives for money and power.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Worse. More like less than 0.0001% of the humans on the planet.

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[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 76 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (38 children)

Kewl. If only there wasn't a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.

A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn't exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).

So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I don't disagree. But teddy had it right when he said speak softly but know when to swing your big dick

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Well the UK just cut disability benefits.

France is cutting support for chronically ill people.

The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago
[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 36 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I distrust this type of article as China and Russia have lots to gain from trying to stirr up opposition or protests in Europe, especially on this topic of defense.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Does it say anywhere in the article what social programs are on the chopping block? I've heard this claim hundreds of times, but so far it's on the basis of "it's got to come from somewhere". What if you build military hospitals, military infrastrtucture and military schools? Wink wink, nudge nudge.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

it's not listed because this is not what is happening

italy for example put bridge construction in that military budget (as critical infrastructure)

also the subtext was "spend that defense budget in america" and this is not happening either for variety of reasons, so it's partial failure already for them

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

“spend that defense budget in america”

hah, yeah, that part is hilarious. tramp already ruined the f35 program by suggesting that the ones sold to allies would come with degraded specs...why sink funding in something that you can only use with american permission exclusively for their stupid wars?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

there's a couple of big failures in american defense industry (like shipbuilding) but F35 is not one of them. the alleged killswitch is not likely a thing because first, it could be used by the most probable adversary, and they already shown capability in EW; and second, it's not necessary because it requires constant stream of spare parts and maintenance. as if it's worth it, ask any remaining iranian radar operator for firsthand opinion

some countries switched to euro made jets anyway, but these aren't likely to be doing the job that F35 is cut to do anyway (SEAD)

there's already euro alternative in development, for which americans were explicitly not invited (GCAP, FCAS). there's also the everything else part of military, half of euro countries make now artillery (both tube and rocket) so these can be bought locally too

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, but israel gets the F35I variant. They are probably independent in software, targetting (and parts?), because israel as the US golden child always gets the juiciest deals. The EU, meanwhile, gets the "leeches, warmongers, pathetic freeloaders" treatment.

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

at minimum brits have source code. couple of eu countries make parts for it as well

[–] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

russia is gearing towards Europe.

The first stage of the war is sowing discontent.

Read up on Gerasimovs doctrine.

[–] engene@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why can’t we just distance ourselves from this? Why must we appease him!? 😡

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff

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[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Opinion article. Also they missed many NATO Top nuances, like the whole political game. But yes, NATO members in Europe have been spending more, and more defense is and was needed.

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hey European nations; Nice to know about how your sovereignty works.

[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don’t bow down to the psychopath! You know he’s going to just pull out of NATO anyway.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If the US dumps NATO, that’s all the more reason to increase defence funding. Either that or start learning Russian.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd rather he did that than abandon NATO by surprise the moment russia attacks Narva or the Suwalki gap and give "putin, the gambler" the illusion that he can win against the EU...

[–] BeBopaLula@piefed.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess the camps for disabled are next on the list. The world is making its choice.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

No please fuck no

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

No shit Sherlock

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

A lot of countries got lulled into a false sense of security by USA being in the NATO and Russia not outright attacking anyone for a moment and let their defence deteriorate. And now they're paying for it

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[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Just read the article, and did it feel as though it was written by 3 different people to anyone else?

But anyway, the EU undeniably needed to spend more on their collective militaries with a hostile, expansionist neighbor on their doorstep. This is literally one of two things that Trump has been right about in his lifetime.

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

These days you're lucky if there's even one person writing it.

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