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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, it's that or Chromium, and chromium prevents adblockers, so Firefox it is

[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There is ungoogled chromium but that only really goes so far.

LibreWolf is currently the best bet imo but being at a point where all the best choices are based on projects from dogshit companies isn't great

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

but being at a point where all the best choices are based on projects from dogshit companies isn't great

Sadly all too expected

[–] toarmspunies@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The only possible non-gecko engine alternative to Firefox that isn't even viable yet is Ladybird and I haven't done a deep dive on its governance at all.

It's Firefox for the foreseeable future

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's also Servo, or Orion. The former being nowhere near done like Ladybird and the latter being iOS and Mac exclusive atm.

[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Orion is using WebKit on the backend, which is well established and available in a few other browser projects

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ladybird is ran by transphobes afaik

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It looks like someone did a PR in 2021 asking them to change their language in their build instructions to be gender neutral and they locked it to say that that was not the place for 'ideologically driven requests from new accounts/non-contributers'. The same person said they wouldn't be against that PR in 2023. The team then changed their docs to use general neutral language, as far as I can tell.

While it's still a huge red flag, I'd be interested to know if you're aware of any other viewpoints or specific actions from other devs from the project.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No I'm just parroting what the nerds in my life have said

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Understandable. I was just curious because someone recently mentioned the SimpleX dev also being a conspiracy lover and a bigot, which was totally true.

[–] toarmspunies@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago

Got it. This was the piece I was generically worried about having not looked into it beyond occasionally checking for project updates. Hopefully a fork arises over time.

[–] Dort_Owl@hexbear.net 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah problem is the only other option seems to be Brave and that's also run by shitheads

I don't think there are many browsers that aren't run by jerks.

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Librewolf is a firefox fork with the bs removed.

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

Librewolf user here, no real issues once you get the privacy and security settings to your liking.

[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago

I switched from librewolf to Zen a while back, but now Librewolf has vertical tab support so it’s won my heart back <3

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Brave isn't open source either as I recall.

[–] salmoura 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it's based on chromium.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly, and chromium is only nominally open source. The reality is that Google has the final say on how the project is developed, and maintaining a viable independent fork would require a herculean effort.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think Brave is at least mostly open source. Their builds are public and come from their github repo. I think they might throw in some proprietary bits during packaging (maybe related to drm or crypto or ads?) but I'm not 100% certain.

I've been tying to convince myself to use Brave for like 6 months but their crypto and ad history makes me wary.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My understanding is that the open source part is basically just the underlying Chromium engine, but all the UI code that drives it is proprietary.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

Ok but that aside mention of the AI cult definitely gave me the creeps. I also definitely know at least one, maybe two people that would totally join it too (if given the right elevator pitch).

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

firefox has become so dogshit on linux there's constant UI bugs and page loads are much slower than they used to be

[–] lilypad@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago

I remember when i could actually use firefox on linux on my 2011 celeron with 4gb ram yells-at-cloud