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A community for everything related to Palestine and the occupation currently underway by the occupying force known as Israel.

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Existence is resistance for Palestinians.

Please refer to Israel as Occupied Palestine, or occupied territories. The IDF is a fascist and ethnonationalist occupying force. Israelis are settlers. We understand however that the imperial narrative (which tries to legitimise Israel) is internalised in the imperial core and slip-ups are naturally expected.

We always take the sides of Palestine and Palestinians and are unapologetic about it. Israel is an occupying power whose "defence force"'s (note the contradiction) sole purpose for existing is to push Palestinians out so they can resettle their rightful land. If you have anything positive to say about Israel we do not care.

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Zionist apologists finally admit that the assault on Gaza has failed (peterbeinart.substack.com)

submitted 6 days ago by AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml to c/palestine@lemmygrad.ml

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[T]here’s a report in Haaretz that quotes a professor named Michael Spagat, who’s an economist at Holloway College at the University of London. This guy is not a radical lefty. He’s a guy who basically spends his time doing statistical analysis about violent conflicts all over the place: Iraq, Syria, Kosovo. He estimates that 4% of the population of Gaza has been killed since October 7th. Four percent. And he says, ‘I’m not sure there’s another case in the 21st century that’s reached that high,’ right? The highest percentage of any population killed in this century, right?

And just by comparison—I did some back-of-the-envelope math—4% of the population killed, if you think about the percentage of people killed in Ukraine, 4% is probably 20 to 40 times higher than the percentage of people who have been killed in Ukraine, given that Ukraine has a significantly larger population, of course, than Gaza, right?

So, this is, as a percentage of the population, the largest slaughter of human beings on the planet in this century. And the goals have not been met. They have not been achieved. And, you know, there were people who were saying this from the very, very beginning. They were protesting against this slaughter from the very, very beginning. And they were mocked, they were reviled, many of them were kicked out of school, they were suspended, they were expelled, they were called antisemites, all of these things, and you know what? They were right. They were right.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That seems low.count.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

They're still going off the "direct munitions fatalities that the Gaza health service was able to positively confirm" count, and simply not asking why it's been basically frozen for the last six months

[–] SheWasSpeaking@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, last I heard the number of Palestinians murdered since October 7th was 377k, which based on the pre-genocide population of 2.3 million (IIRC) would be closer to 16 or 17 percent of the population.

Edit: Actually, went to look this up and it seems that the 377000 statistic was based on a misinterpretation of a study, and doesn't appear to be an accurate estimate. Will leave this up because it was widely circulated & others have probably made the same mistake.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The 377000 figure was arrived at by implications of the fact that Israeli documents showed a total population of Gaza that much lower than the pre- October 7 population.

That would also be inline with the lancet estimating 186000 dead last July, and Trump making remarks that indicated a current population about 400,000 less than pre-October 7th.

And given that the western media has unanimously committed to the absurd claim that the death count has remained perfectly static for the last 6+ months, these are about the best attempts at the true figure we can get

[–] SheWasSpeaking@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 6 days ago

As I understand it, the issue is that the original study was deducting the number of people in the three main population centers (as estimated by the IDF) from the pre-genocide population, and that number was meant to guess at the number of unaccounted for Palestinians who might have trouble reaching """"""aid centers""".

That said, it would not surprise me if the actual number of people murdered is close to 377,000 or even higher; but that specific number seems to be suspect.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Honestly they've been deprived of food, water and basic medicine; I wouldn't be surprised if the number is higher than even this.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago

I'd ask if Israelis have enough self consciousness to start wondering why October 7th happened and to learn about it beyond the propaganda, but the polls would indicate otherwise.

Also they're settlers living on stolen land; it is in their interest to murder and drive out the original owners; sort of like post-ww2 Europeans who stole Jewish wealth, businesses and buildings who then conducted pogroms to drive Jewish people away so they could keep their ill-gotten wealth.