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Why Neocon originated from Trotskyite? (lemmygrad.ml)
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I found many neocons were Trotskyite in their youth.And neocons have passion in interventionist policy as Trotskyite in the world revolution.

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

  1. The Soviet Union should've done more to export the revolution to other countries

  2. Because they didn't do this, the Soviet Union betrayed the revolution

  3. Because they betrayed the revolution, they were basically the worst thing ever, worse even than capitalist countries like the US

  4. Because the US is the lesser evil, it should export ~~the revolution~~ freedom and democracy to other countries.

Trotskyists just want to invade countries and call it liberation, it's really a short jump into becoming neocos imo.

[–] ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Trots get bullied out of every single leftist org for not reading books and accepting all of the lies told to them by the upper class about socialists.

They then pull a Mussolini and swap teams out of spite.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago

all the trots who left the USSR for the US. think about who they ended up hanging out with considering "i hate the USSR" was their main deal.

[–] NikkiB@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Some names would help here... I know Reagan was famously left-leaning in his younger years, as was Jeb Bush, but other than that I can't think of any ex-Trot neocons.

[–] Onewhoexists@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Tony Blair is another one. Honourable mention to Piers Corbyn (Jeremy Corbyn’s brother) who is a Trot and climate denier.

[–] guardofrepublic@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Irving Kristol,the father of neocon,he was a Trotskyite in his youth.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago

Also co-founded the project for a new american century, which is significant enough imo that it can't be brushed off, though the really dogmatic, religious trotskyists will try to.

[–] June@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

because the most devout opponents of communism are self-proclaimed communists and also Trotskyism is uninformed cowardice

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 week ago

the most devout opponents of communism are self-proclaimed communists

This is simply not true. Read William Blum’s Killing Hope. Pseudosocialists represented a minor source of anticommunism, yet in many such cases they were funded by the CIA, which in turn is a product of the upper classes. I doubt that you’ll find more than a couple of billionaires who claim to be communists.

[–] Onewhoexists@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Funnily enough, I was thinking of this exact thing a couple days ago.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=sgr2jkZxFcM