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So they believe that a person should die for killing a CEO, one person, but the CEO who created an AI specifically to deny claims resulting in many painful deaths didn't? suuuure. this totally isn't a revealing kneejerk reaction from elites pissing their pants
Social murder is not illegal because the billionaires make the laws.
Social murder is how wealth is made...
Slavery is another route.
Owner class knows this and they known peasants would revolution if critical mass understood it too
you know if the parent of any one child that has died in a school shooting was a billionaire said school shooters would also be looking at the death penalty.
who am I kidding, Billionaires don't send their kids to public schools.
He's also eligible for Jury Nullification. Remember, if jury selection(or anyone really) asks you what Jury Nullification is, you do not.
I've never heard of it.
That's the clause whereby it takes just one person too.....ohhhhhhh. I uuurm, oh look a carrot.
Kind of a nitpick, but the CEO wasn't a billionaire. It's also kind of an important distinction, because it's not necessarily the wealth that's the main problem, but how the owner class/bourgeoisie obtain their wealth/income. A slumlord worth less than a million is arguably as morally wrong as a Blackstone CEO (one obviously has more wealth/power/impact though). The evidence of owner class solidarity and government capture/corruption is also important. Rashid, being a politician, is likely trying to not alienate is millionaire donors.
He may not have been a Billionaire - YET - but at his age, he certainly saw himself on that track. He was already ordering horrific policies on behalf of increased profit, so he would look good to his bosses and move up the ladder. He was already an active corporate serial killer, murdering people to advance his career and net worth. Eventually, if he sacrificed enough customers on the altar of profit, he would be rewarded with a Billionaireship.
Kind of a nitpick, but the CEO wasn’t a billionaire.
When you're earning $26M/year, it's just a matter of time.
A slumlord worth less than a million is arguably as morally wrong as a Blackstone CEO
From a very black-and-white "Bad thing is bad" perspective, sure. But there's a hierarchy of incentives and profits you're overlooking. The slumlord very likely carries their properties on some amount of credit, which means they're collecting rents on behalf of their lender. This lender, in turn, borrows money to increase their leverage and pays rents to a wealthier and more central lending authority. Eventually, the debts for all these loans get traced back to the major banks and other credit brokers, insurers, and private equity firms.
In a feudal sense, the slumlord is merely a plantation overseer and enforcer. The Blackstone CEO is the High Lord, standing on the backs of dozens of lesser aristocrats, who are themselves extracting wealth from their own plantation holdings, which all run thanks to legions of these slumlords going door to door every month to pound the rent out of their tenants.
You are correct here...
That CEO was an officer of the oligarchy, he was not an oligarch himself.
The reaction from the oligarchy is to show of force to ensure that officers stays calm and keep fucking us harder
The Billionaire class is so assured in its grasp on power that they're willing to create martyrs. Let's see how that turns out
Something tells me that their being out of touch with the lay peoples is about to have some unforeseen consequences for them. In the past the wealthy tried to keep a finger on the pulse as it were to know when to throw parades and shit to keep the peasantry happy. How long has it been since we've been given ANYTHING from the owners of capital? They really forgot how to maintain their power. Stupid as fuck NEW MONEY lmao
Say what you want about 19th century robber barons, at least they had some modicum of sensibility and good taste. The current batch of ketamine addled megalomaniacs and Gollumesque surveillance capitalists can't fuck off soon enough.
They are getting more and more out of touch, and they have no idea it's happening.
We're seeing signs of it every day. A Healthcare CEO is murdered, and the alleged murderer has the majority of the population on his side. A Democratic Socialist wins the NYC mayoral primary by a wide margin, and even his own party disparages him. Jobs are going unfilled because people are refusing to work for minimal wages, while corporations and the government sneer that they are lazy gamers. The streets are filling with enormous crowds of protesters, and their numbers grow with each demonstration.
The Revolution is coming, and all of us are it know it, but the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and their enslaved politicians have no idea. They still think they are in charge, but it is only the ingrained politeness of the American citizenry that has kept their blood from flowing in the gutters.
Once the American people lose their patience with the wealthy and their political slaves, it is going to get very, very ugly for the MAGA Nazis and their enablers (including weak, simpering, spineless Democrats like Chuck Schumer).
Oh, I'm sure he won't become a martyr. These idiots are so scared and certain this is the best way forward, they can't imagine the consequences.
It would be a shame if his execution caused copycats.
If Americans had the balls to copycat this, they would have done so months ago, healthcare would have been reformed as a result or at least health insurance companies would be unable to find anyone willing to be CEO for them.
Oh, I’m sure he won’t become a martyr.
I mean, its not even clear if he was the guy who pulled the trigger. Less a martyr than a scapegoat, as far as we can tell.
they can’t imagine the consequences.
The bitter truth is that we've got one dead CEO in 2025 and tens of thousands of dead UHC customers. This is math that the shareholders can live with, so long as it guarantees them continued economic growth into the next decade. CEOs are, after all, a dime a dozen. Hell, we're nearing a point at which they can be replaced with AI.
The world needs many more Luigi’s.
"be the change you want to see in the world"
Truly regressive to the age of tyrants and kings. Piss off the wrong rich guy and off with your head.
It has always been thus. It's just accelerating now.
We briefly had an age where, with some effort, the masses could keep the powerful in check. As you say…it’s disappearing now.
Yeah if I were on that jury, it would be jury nullification all the way. Can't have the government killing a guy for political reasons, and that's what this is.
Jury null requires EVERYONE on the jury to agree Not Guilty, there are plenty of sleepwalker who believe the TV narrative about basically everything, Luigi included. Won't be hard to find at least one
Edit: jury nullification IS NOT the same thing as a hung jury. The former is final. The latter means a new trial with a new jury.
there are plenty of sleepwalker who believe the TV narrative about basically everything
I have a family member like that. They're not religious of any kind, worked with fine electronics in factory, etc. and is by no means stupid. Earlier this year they started ranting about children supporting terrorism and no one understood what was going on. Until they revealed that some kids had written "Stop killing children" with chalk on the sidewalk. All because of TV news with anchors and all that. Not even some far right or conservative channel, just traditional and usually pretty neutral news. But they leave out 90% of what is going on.
I've read this twice but are they saying that writing stop killing children is supporting terrorism?
Here's my best guess on the chain of logic:
Stop killing children -> Stop killing Palestinian children -> Stop Israel's war on Palestine -> Not supporting Israel -> Supporting Palestine -> Supporting Hamas -> Supporting Terrorism
It's about 15 too many conclusions to jump to but I've seen people do it. A lot.
That's a very common chain of thinking for people with poor Critical Thinking Skills.
A hung jury is better than a hanging.
It's a cost many of us are willing to pay, they are killing us anyways, only slowly.
This is the realization that will require far more people to suffer before they will act.
The NYP article was published December 19th, 2024, if anyone was wondering.
Also if anyone was wondering, here's page 1 of a list of NYP headlines regarding this guy. You might agree they've made up their mind on the matter, and maybe also that there are better and less fascist places to pick up gossip if the need arises.
Bryan Kohberger, Luigi Mangione may share same rare neurological condition: What to know
LA rioters join the Democrats' pantheon of honored criminals
Fellow jailbird dishes on Luigi Mangione's job, daily routine and demeanor inside Brooklyn jail
Liberals turn killers, racists, and haters into martyrs
UnitedHealthcare accuses the Guardian of trying to 'capitalize' on CEO's killing: defamation lawsuit
Luigi Mangione's 'manifesto' reveals reason for targeting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, failed plot for mass casualty event: court docs
'Model prisoner' Luigi Mangione whines about wearing handcuffs, bulletproof vest — makes request to judge
The Post honored by NY Press Club for coverage of Luigi Mangione, assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson
The left's assassination fixation only further normalizes political violence
Accused DC Jewish museum terrorist Elias Rodriguez reportedly posted 'death to America,' praised Luigi Mangione in unhinged posts
UnitedHealth stock drops 17% after report it is being probed by DOJ for alleged Medicare fraud
Crowdfunding alleged cold-blooded killers and racists — this is no way to fight a culture war
Luigi Mangione gets killer 27th birthday present as defense fund tops $1M
The 'Luigi effect' that has C-suite executives on edge across the country
UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York City and leading authorities on a five-day search is scheduled, appears in court for a hearing, Feb. 21, 2025, in New York.
Luigi Mangione wants state murder case dropped, arguing double jeopardy in UnitedHealthcare killing
‘Delulu for Lulu’ Mangione fans swarm court | Reporter Replay Luigi Mangione musical celebrating accused killer's 'pearly white' teeth and 'folk hero status' set for California stage billy-anna-luigi
Ex Fyre Fest designer says fraudster Billy McFarland, Anna Delvey, Luigi Mangione have one thing in common Kirsten Fleming
Inside the circus at Luigi Mangione's court hearing — where supporters want to be heard, but not seen
Can anyone name a single other news story where the press’ take was so completely at odds with the general population?
Okay but the line break made it seem like "Latinos" did something lol.
So, in the second example, I realise those people didn't get the death penalty, but were they also eligible for it?
The line seems to be drawn at choosing whether to charge the murder at a state or federal level. In Luigi's case, he is being tried federally.
Which asks the question as to why Luigi's case is being tried federally while mass casualty/terrorism crimes are only being charged at the state level.
Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the state of Florida. And based on the Wikipedia link, Parkland could have qualified based on: 3. The defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons.
I think texas has a death penalty for capital murder, which begins at two or more murders done at the same time. That means the el paso shooter could have gotten it. Xorollo pointed out the florida possibility.
Fuck NYP
I'm sure whoever killed that guy was aware that the death penalty was a possibility. They probably made their peace with that possibility a while back.