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It makes it look like spam. I'm not interested in accommodating people outside of Lemmy. Things being federated among Lemmy instances is one thing, but I think trying to deal with PixelFed and Mastodon in the same system is a bit too far. I've look at Lemmy activity from the perspective of Mastodon and it is awful. This isn't a feature I believe needs to be a thing.
I'd prefer to logon to Mastodon or PixelFed directly and use their federated systems separate from others.
What if we had the ability to toggle them off, so if you didn't want to see them you didn't have to?
That would definitely be an improvement. But you would still have to spend the time to add a bunch of tags to your posts.
Week it would still be optional, but those who wanted to do it could do it without annoying those who want none of it.
the experience on mastodon / micro blogging platforms is very different from lemmy which is more of a forum / link aggregator. I get that the fediverse can be tricky to understand but I think for the best user experience it might be better to have a microblogging account for all those instances, and a forum account for lemmy / kbin. I think there's features that some platforms have and others don't? and the interface is very different.
although kbin is different as it supports both, and hashtags.
Right. I like that there can be interoperability between the different platforms. But they're different platforms that are consumed differently. You don't need to jam then together.
YouTube and Wikipedia both use the same protocol (https) but you wouldn't treat them the same.
It's a nice bonus that they can interact with each other, but microblogging and link aggregation are two different things, no need to make them more interoperable than they are.
Please don't ever do that.
It bombards everyone with noise and wastes everyone's screen space. (Much like abusing a username field by adding your life story to it.)
If people currently on a primitive platform want to participate in this one, they should learn to use the tools, or at least respect the local conventions.
It bombards everyone with noise and wastes everyone’s screen space.
I mean, isn't that kind of the point of following hashtags on Mastodon in the first place, to see content relevant to that topic?
This is not Mastodon.
@ono It is, though. You may not be accessing it through Mastodon, but this is a Mastodon post, originally from a Mastodon instance. Look at OP's username without the @: DannyBoy@mastodon.ie
EDIT: The Fediverse is kinda weird. Here's OP's post from Mastodon: https://mastodon.ie/@DannyBoy/110752993994124069
Here's the thread you may be seeing on Lemmy: https://lemmy.ca/post/1829131
You can also see both your and my comments on both pages.
They're interoperable to an extent, so depending on what platform you're viewing the content from, the same post and replies may be formatted differently for you than how it was originally submitted.
OP clearly specified "When making posts on Lemmy/Kbin". That is the context for this conversation.
@ono Right, that's the thing though, these platforms are all the same network. The data sent from Lemmy is readable on Mastodon, and vise versa. There really isn't any actual separation between the two platforms, outside of the UI you choose to use. Lemmy posts are technically all on Mastodon to begin with. Ultimately, platforms like Pixelfed and Calckey/FireFish are also part of the same overall network, which is why the content posted to any of these platforms is so cross-compatible to begin with.
I think the main difference is with Kbin, which blends Lemmy and Mastodon feeds into one platform, and by default allows you to tag your Lemmy-formatted content with Mastodon-compatible hashtags, which makes those Lemmy threads more visible to Mastodon users, since I don't think Lemmy has hashtag support by default.
It's more of a "big picture" thing, IMO. The Fediverse is largely all just the same network, but with various different UI endpoints.
When visiting another country, I try to set aside any habits from home that conflict with the local rules and conventions. It doesn't matter if the same language is used in both.
I do the same when posting to another platform. It doesn't matter if the same network protocols are used in both.
What you wrote would make sense if we were talking about Mastodon messages that just happened to be seen on Lemmy, but as already stated, we aren't. “When making posts on Lemmy/Kbin” is the key phrase here.
When visiting another country, I try to set aside any habits from home that conflict with the local rules and conventions. It doesn’t matter if the same language is used in both.
I totally get this sentiment. But think of the Fediverse more like the United States. It's all one big country, made up of different states that do things mostly the same, but still in their own way. California is your Mastodon, New York is your Pixelfed, Kbin is kind of in the middle of things so that can be Kansas, Lemmy is clearly Florida... etc. I'm not sure what adequate Canadian province comparisons would be, but you get the gist, I think. How much do you really change your personal conventions when travelling between states/provinces?
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !youshouldknow@lemmy.world
@Chozo @youshouldknow @ono Dude, a piece of advice.
Stop discussing with him. That dude is clearly stubborn.
He's clearly the kind of person that can have progress in front of him, but he prefers to have what already is used to.
If something that I've learnt is to stop a discussion with someone that's clearly an idiot.
Sorry for the offense, but he made clear that he's not open minded. Which is ironic for an user of a progressive platform like the fediverse.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !youshouldknow@lemmy.world
@Chozo @youshouldknow @ono Again, thanks!
Looks like here you're the only one that understands how the fediverse works.
Everyone is like a butthurt about it. They don't get that more shared information means more people that has access to it.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !youshouldknow@lemmy.world
@Chozo @youshouldknow @ono Finally someone gets it!!!
Hashtags in Mastodon is what allows discoverability to posts. So if you wanna make your posts indexable you'll need them.
Mastodon doesn't index by words, just only by hashtags.
So if you make a post about cats, but you don't add the hashtag "cats" your post is like it wasn't post at all. No one can see it, besides yourself and your followers. Also I don't get why people all it spam, if it goes at the end. Easy to ignore.
Barring changes (which are probably coming) in the software, going from Lemmy/Kbin to Mastodon is going to be problematic (unlike the reverse). Mastodon people will only see your hashtags if their instance federates with the applicable Lemmy/Kbin instance, which it probably only does if members of that server have tried to follow a Lemmy user or thread - which is unlikely.
So by adding hashtags you're mostly just adding extra words that Lemmy users won't have any use for. You may get some traction on very large Mastodon instances if you're also on a super large Lemmy instance, but super large instances are also antithetical to ActivityPub.
No
I will do this, but the hashtags will be goofy and unhelpful, and only when I remember to.
#ducks #gandalfdidnothingwrong
@CeruleanRuin Is nice to see someone that's open to the idea of connecting more communities without the need of extra accounts.
The trick is to edit out the mention of the lemmy community before you add the hashtags then lemmy doesn't see the updated version of the post with the hash tags, but people on mastodon see the hash tags
Uh... #unpopularopinion
Honestly think this is a bad idea. The platforms can talk to each other, sure, but Lemmy/Kbin just doesn't translate to other services like Pixefed and Mastodon do. They're just too different!
Also I love how controversial this post is lmao
Nah
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