Does warmer mean temperature? Color? Something else?
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"choose the roads that fill you with ennui moreso than the avenues that give you a sense of listless"
I love how so many of these images meant to fool bots are literally generated by AI
Because their real purpose is to train the bots. The captcha features are just there to get us to use it.
It's more complicated than that. Only 2 or 3 images are meant to train AI, the rest are meant to establish whether you're human enough that AI can learn from you.
That's also only partially true. Most of the human detection is done by collecting metadata about your browser and how you interact with the widgets.
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I'd be with you if it weren't so obvious.
Doesn’t look like anything to me.
The most surprising thing is how you and some commenters dont see how obvious and dead simple the answer is
Like, should they show you a block of ice and a fire next time?
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Am neurodivergent, didn't even occur to me they'd be talking about snow vs indoors. I thought because it is a visual test they meant color temp which for me registered as the middle left, center bottom, and maybe an argument for bottom right.
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Warm could also translate to "cozy" or overall "hue". Neither would necessarily pick the indoor photos. I don't think you need to be neurodivergent to be confused, maybe just a little more artistically minded.
Plus, there's no way to know what the indoor temperature is. There may be no heating in the houses.
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okay that one is understandable, thank you
Thanks for reminding me of my neurodivergence, I couldn't figure it out either.
I was starting to think "ok this one looks lit and cozy, and how am I supposed to tell how well insulated these houses are?"
More surprising is how apparently some of you haven’t encountered captchas that employ nuance, and what seems like the obvious answer sometimes isn’t.
my man, its a blizzard and indoors, what part of that has any more nuance than being beaten over the head with the answer
The different snow images have different color tones, some matching that of the example image. The center image has a cool color tone, which doesn’t match. Captchas are made to defeat AI logic, so sometimes it’s not the obvious thing. It could very well possibly be selecting all images that match the color tone, something a bot may not work out. It could be just selecting indoor images. I wouldn’t know for certain until I got one of these and succeeded or failed. Personally I think it would be too easy for a bot to just ignore all images that have snow, or are mostly white, because that doesn’t resemble the example image at all.
edit: and in case it needs to be said, getting beaten over the head by anything doesn’t involve nuance. That’s the opposite of nuance.
Captchas aren't made to "defeat AI logic", the human detection happens in part outside the picture selection part. The picture selection is for training AI. In this case you are training an AI to distinguish the (potentially abstract) concept of warmth.
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I couldn't get past "pick the smallest animal"
There was a large picture of a hummingbird, and a tiny panda. Both choices were wrong, apparently. They probably meant that I should pick the pettiest animal.
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It even clearly gives an example of a picture of a living room.
Something that's obvious to you isn't necessarily obvious to everyone.
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I assume this just means "pick inside" without saying it directly. The sample photo is of an inside space. No? The two in the middle row, I assume, are the "correct" answer.
Often the correct answer is only half the puzzle - how you answer (mouse movement) also can be to determine things
No, there's far more depth to that. The goal isn't for you to prove yourself human, the goal is to teach an AI how to "think more human".
1, 2 and 7 are obviously cold. They're oustide, with no "warm" colour lighting.
3 and 6 are both green houses, the green house could be considered "warm", but 3 has light on the inside. This is perhaps a test against AI readers. To a human, they both seem warm inside, but an AI might differentiate based on the lighting.
9 is a dark brown house, but 8 is a light brown house that is illuminated by external lighting. This contrasts with 3 and 6, because 6 has external lighting but it does not illuminate much.
4 and 5 are both internal shots. 4 is light and airy, meanwhile 5 is a bit more grey - but then, grey is the fashion these days.
All in all this is a bullshit test made up by bullshit people looking to get a bullshit result, with which they hope to make money off of.
You're working to help them make more money, meanwhile they don't pay you for your labor. They also collect data from your connection to their servers - as well as the website you're trying to access, you will almost certainly be connecting to at least 2 other servers to deliver this hcaptcha, and thanks to cooperation with the website host hcaptcha will triangulate the internet routing and fingerprinting information to attain a significantly accurate identification of you as an indvidual (which they will then consolidate with whatever other information they have).
Much like a disgruntled worker might "phone it in", or work within the requirements of their paid employment, or "quiet quit"; you should limit and perhaps even poison the output you give in proportion to what you're being paid for your labor.
The goal isn't to satisfy captcha, the goal is to get passed it while giving as little commercial value as they compensate you for.
Your data has value. If it didn't, then Facebook and Google wouldn't be amongst the wealthiest businesses in the world. You own the value they establish themselves with, they just claim a license.
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If you're wondering why does it seem so strange, it's because the learning model is actually hyper sophisticated now. It knows what a bus, a bicycle, and a sailboat looks like, now it's asking for comparative assessments of complex images. It clearly understands that snow is covering houses and that snow is cold.
OK, but that doesn't explain why anybody thinks that this is good UX.
It isn't supposed to be a good user experience, it's supposed to train their AI models, and they figured out how to get you to do it for free.
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Great, now they expect you to be thinking about lighting temperature terms. People who don’t do photography or haven’t read light bulb boxes won’t know wtf this means.
They could easily mean ambient temperature.
The example shows an interior room which would indeed be warmer. There are two which could be what they want you to select.
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There's an example at the top along with the instructions.
This ain't exactly the Mississippi.
That's exactly what the model is trying to learn.
It's the "of one type" that gets me - to me that says I should be examining either the outdoor or the indoor pictures, not comparing between those two types of picture. So I should somehow pick the warmest outdoor or warmest indoor pictures.
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Is it the one that's on fire?
I worry about commenters in this post that seem to take this as some sort of highly complex problem verging on philosophical rather than a silly little riddle to go through as fast as possible to get to the primary part of website.
Whole lot of AIs in this thread.
Go home, robot, you're drunk
Numbering left to right, top to bottom, I think the answer should be 3, 5, 6, 9.
Fuck you for trying to get me to train your AI. If you want my work, fucking pay me.
Edit: To be clear, I think those answers would be most likely to almost seem correct to an alrgorithm, but actually break their objective for training.
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I always click randomly on the first 2 attempts to mislead the AI. Hopefully you did the same, and when the robots come to kill us the grease will freeze up and they won't be able to move.
You have to touch the screen. The one thing bots can't do.
Wait until it has us picking between Good images and Bad ones, to train the AI
That is exactly what this is.
"Please select all targets that should be shot before they have a chance to get away."
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